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[Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on YouTube



"Independent human rights organizations"?  Right, you must enjoy
drinking Leopoldo Lopez's Kool Aid.

I share this illuminating article by Max Blumenthal on Lopez, the great
democratic hope of Venezuelan capitalists:
http://maxblumenthal.com/2014/02/who-is-leopoldo-lopez/

On 02/24/2014 05:14 PM, David Preiss wrote:
> I will leave you the last word here as regards the political analysis
> but will keep trusting the word of independent human rights
> organizarions, specially those with observers on the ground. (And,
> certainly, Stalin is not my guy.)
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
> El 24-02-2014, a las 18:46, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> escribió:
> 
>> Dijo Guevara el hermoso, viendo al África llorar: en el imperio
>> mañoso nunca se debe confiar
>> 
>> Silvio Rodriguez
>> 
>> *
>> 
>> I remember Stalin quoted to say, opening a world map in front of
>> him on the table, after the 2nd WW, indicating to US and other
>> imperialist powers and pointing to the red part of the world map
>> where socialist constructions were under way:
>> 
>> "They will never admit this, never".
>> 
>> And he was right.
>> 
>> Imperialism can never be trusted, never.
>> 
>> Is it not  US and other imperialism which caused tens of millions
>> of dead? Is it like a joke that many people mention crimes in the
>> Soviet Union etc, when they think to crimes against humanity and
>> tend to forget about these two imperialist world wars, besides many
>> others, Viet Nam.
>> 
>> It is a complete a brain washing mechanism to close the way to
>> humanity for a historical emancipation from imperialism and
>> capitalism. By this, they say, "socialism is as bad as capitalism,
>> so there is no successful exit from capitalism and imperialism.
>> You are condemned to capitalism".
>> 
>> Ulvi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2014-02-24 23:26 GMT+02:00 Peter Farruggio <pfarruggio@utpa.edu>:
>> 
>>> Don't underestimate the determination and cravenness of US
>>> imperialism. Similar to Ukraine,this is a classic right wing coup
>>> in the making
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-cia-and-u-s-defense-intelligence-agency-calling-for-armed-clashes-bloodshed-to-justify-military-intervention/5357989
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
________________________________________
>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf of Langer-Osuna,
>>> Jennifer Marie [jlangerosuna@miami.edu] Sent: Monday, February
>>> 24, 2014 9:19 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject:
>>> [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt
>>> By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected   Government?"
>>> on YouTube
>>> 
>>> Here's a blog that has some videos from Venezuela:
>>> 
>>> http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jennifer M. Langer-Osuna, PhD Assistant Professor, Department of
>>> Teaching and Learning University of Miami School of Education and
>>> Human Development 222-H Merrick Building Coral Gables, FL
>>> 33124-2040 Off: (305) 284-3206 Fax: (305) 284-6998
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>> [mailto: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of David
>>> Preiss Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:08 AM To: eXtended
>>> Mind, Culture, Activity Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity 
>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt
>>> By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
>>> YouTube
>>> 
>>> There are THOUSANDS of pictures in Twitter and facebook. Search
>>> "Tachira" in Twitter search, for instance. You can find there
>>> images of army planes flying over protestors, paramilitary
>>> shooting at people, protest violence and barricades, police
>>> shooting at residential compounds and so on. And of course
>>> political satire and people fighting each other verbally. Or
>>> just search for Venezuela there. Indeed as most of the media are
>>> censored there a large part of the info is coming out from
>>> Twitter. That's why they shut down internet in San Cristobal.
>>> Once there you will find the most popular hashtags used for both
>>> sides.
>>> 
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>> 
>>> El 24-02-2014, a las 11:52, "Glassman, Michael"
>>> <glassman.13@osu.edu> escribió:
>>> 
>>>> One of the interesting things to consider, at least to me, is
>>>> the role
>>> of the Internet and sharing of information.  There have been
>>> competing articles on Venezuela and also for that matter the
>>> Ukraine.  The different streams of information in themselves are
>>> fascinating and really speak to growing needs to be able to
>>> organize and differentiate information across topics.  But what
>>> seems missing from the Venezuela story are the pictures - the
>>> Twitter or Youtube public documentation of large, spontaneous
>>> protests (there are these types of pictures from the Ukraine
>>> which is one of the reasons perhaps people have taken it more
>>> seriously - although I am having a harder time finding good
>>> information on the meaning behind what is happening).  I wonder
>>> if a new initial hurdle for taking these types of movement
>>> towards change seriously are these types of easily available 
>>> visual images that are not easy to manipulate.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael ________________________________________ From:
>>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
>>> on behalf of David Preiss [daviddpreiss@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:50 AM To: eXtended Mind,
>>>> Culture, Activity Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject:
>>>> [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt By
>>> U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
>>> YouTube
>>>> 
>>>> Allende 1973 is not Maduro 2014. They are very different
>>>> leaders and
>>> their commitment to democracy is substantially different.
>>> Certainly there are extreme right members in the Venezuelan
>>> opposition as well. But it is Maduro the one taking the military
>>> into the streets of Tachira, censuring the media, cutting
>>> internet access to a full city among many other measures that
>>> qualify as not properly democratic.  And I haven't mentioned the 
>>> actions of the government paramilitary yet. There is many people
>>> in South America that are not "imperialist" but former opposition
>>> to Pinochet and other dictatorships denouncing Venezuela's
>>> government. I am not going to elaborate further because it is off
>>> topic for most members of this list. Please  go directly to the
>>> websites of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch and see
>>> what they are reporting Thanks. David
>>>> 
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> El 24-02-2014, a las 8:43, Peter Farruggio
>>>> <pfarruggio@utpa.edu>
>>> escribió:
>>>> 
>>>>> The current situation in Venezuela looks like the typical
>>>>> imperialist
>>> "destabilization" tactic against an elected government that is
>>> not a puppet of Wall Street. Very similar things were done to
>>> Allende's government in Chile and to Mossadegh's nationalist
>>> government in Iran in 1953, where operatives in the US embassy
>>> paid armed street gangs to rampage and incite violence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's unfortunate that the corporate media has such a monopoly
>>>>> on
>>> information, especially in the US, so that all we seem to get is 
>>> anti-government bias in the "reportage" from Venezuela.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here are some alternatives
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://wearechange.org/us-supporting-oligarch-coup-attempt-venezuela/
>>>
>>>>> 
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/18/venezuela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://rt.com/news/golinger-documents-venezuela-destabilization-299/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/6418
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________________ From:
>>>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
>>> on behalf of Dr. Paul C. Mocombe [pmocombe@mocombeian.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:47 AM To: eXtended Mind,
>>>>> Culture, Activity Subject: [Xmca-l] Watch "Venezuelan
>>>>> Protests: Another Attempt By
>>> U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
>>> YouTube
>>>>> 
>>>>> David,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have some issues with your interpretation of what is going
>>>>> on
>>> venezuela... 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVOqhUl6Dp8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> 
Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>>>>> President The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc. www.mocombeian.com 
>>>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com www.paulcmocombe.info
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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