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[Xmca-l] Re: is the mind a function of the brain?

Hi Jose,

more from a natural science perspective on the question of "the mind" I would recommend you works of Daniel C. Dennett.

- Jaana Pirkkalainen

15.01.2014 06:11, Larry Purss kirjoitti:
The consensus seems to be that there is a long history and multiple
*traditions* explaining what mind *is*. It may be that *mind* as an *is*
object is an abstraction from the continually developing genres describing
what mind *is*. By tracing the multiple explanations [and interpretations,
and evaluations] of mind as an *is* we may gain a deeper perspective on
this abstracting process itself that points beyond *mind* and extends
*mind* into emerging sociohistorical figurations [and re-figurations] of
what mind *is*.

The book [Between Ourselves] by Evan Thompson offers another alternative
thesis explaining that mind as a scientific *object* is an abstraction from
[and therefore presupposes] consciousness as implicitly an intersubjective
phenomena. [second person perspective.]

  It may be that 1st person and 2nd person and 3rd person accounts are all
abstractions from a process that extends beyond any of these reductions.
Therefore, we return to *traditions* of mind as multiple genres and the
modern scientific explanations of *mind* as needing to be re-figured in
dialogue with these multiple genres that have become sedimented artifacts
of what mind *is*

As Martin said,
"you pays your money, you make your choice"

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>wrote:

I've always thought a strength of SCT/CHAT has been the commitment to a
non-dualist ontology - meaning that mind and body (ideal and material) are
not split apart. In some ways this sounds similar to SFL, but I would also
suspect that the SFL approach is more of a materialist approach, but I may
be wrong about that. SCT's other great strength is that it isn't
reductively materialist. Rather, SCT/CHAT includes the social and
historical in the mind/brain.

But having said that, you could probably talk to 10 different SCT/CHAT
folks and get 10 different theories of mind.

One of my favorite explanations, though, can be found in Martin Packer's
book The Science of Qualitative Research. In it you will find an engagement
with the long history of dualist and non-dualist ontologies. There isn't as
much explicitly about mind in the book, but it's in there.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 7:47 AM, jose david herazo <jherazo4@hotmail.com
Dear all,

I'm writing the final chapter of my PhD dissertation about the role of
academic concepts in students' oral production and development of a
language (L2 ). Since my study is grounded on both sociocultural theory
systemic functional linguistics (SFL), one of my committee members
suggested a possible contradiction in what each theory views as mind.
SFLers, for instance, consider that there is no need for something called
the mind that is different from the brain. They prefer to talk in terms
'higher order semiotic consciousness' (HAlliday, 2004: The language of
science) rather than mind. On their terms, the mind is a function of the
brain. What is the mind for SCT? Is it the inner plane, consciousness?
anybody discussed what this concept refers to in sociocultural theory?

Any suggestions and comments are welcome,


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