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[Xmca-l] Re: paper attached: community psych/chat
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- Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: paper attached: community psych/chat
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- Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 11:41:11 -0700
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Thanks for this paper by Roland Tharp and Clifford O'Donnell.
The topic of *intersubjectivity* is a key term they develop in relation to
shared experiences within activity settings.
They emphasize inter-subjectivity is a *result* or derived from shared
experiences. The psychological result of these shared experiences is
At the end of the article discourse and discursive practices was mentioned
This one paragraph is indicating including this topic within the notion of
*community*. With that brief introduction to *conversation* I would like
to shift the emphasis of *intersubjectivity* to a particular type of
activity, *conversation* as developed by John Shotter. John is interested
in the particular character or quality of conversationally developed and
developing relations and the events AND AFFECTIVE TONE occurring WITHIN
these conversations. John suggests these communicative activities occurring
within conversations "are coming to be seen as of much greater importance
than THE SHARED IDEAS to which they might [or might not] give rise"
I am not sure if this is just a shift in emphasis or exploring another
quality of *intersubjectivity*
John is questioning the focus on shared meanings presented to us as if
*visually*, as if we see bounded, material objects in an instant. John is
exploring other metaphors or figurations that are more dialogical or
conversationally presented as if *presented* by the *voice* of another.
Thus, instead of visual and ocular metaphors John is exploring metaphors
drawn from the realm of talk ITSELF. Not *seeing* talk as an observer or
spectator activity about talk occurring in contexts but *hearing* talk
Intersubjectivity not formed [past tense] as a result of having
participated in shared activities and meanings BUT intersubjectivity
forming [present tense] within conversational contexts.
I may be *mis-reading* the emphasis in the article on shared meanings
produced as foundational and intersubjectivity as a derived second order
accomplishment. Communication is mentioned as an aspect of *belonging* as
shared meaning which is a key concept within community and cultural
psychology. I was wondering if John Shotter's approach may add another
dimension to the exploration of *context* and activity settings by
foregrounding *conversational realities* as intersubjectivty as primary.
The concept *intersubjectivity* is a polyphonic concept with multiple
shared meanings. Is *conversation* merely one type or phase within activity
settings, or is conversation a more fundamental type of activity forming
intersubjectivity which may have greater importance than the result of
having shared ideas as formed prior to intersubjectivity as derived. John
Shotter focuses more on *rhetorical-responsiveness of voice* metaphors as
forming intersubjective contexts WITHIN on-going conversations.
I am drawing attention to the one paragraph in the article that mentioned
Thanks for the opportunity to respond.
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM, mike cole <email@example.com> wrote:
> It appears that my attempt to repair my ommision of the community psych
> paper failed. Attached. I think.