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[Xmca-l] Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience - from Mike Cole

"Mind is a non-accidental mosaic" ARLura, Nature of Human conflicts.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Mozaic is fine by me. That was the kind of image I had in mind.
> Andy
> Peg Griffin wrote:
>> As I see Luria’s dual stimulation, Andy, you have to go beyond the idea
>> of sub-systems.  It’s mosaics, I’m afraid.
>> Two actions closely related yes.  But, in fact, the first one has some
>> hidden attributes (or maybe some hiding states) and so you barge in with
>> the second closely related in some (maybe odd) way– seemingly abandoning
>> the first – and the hidden or hiding in the first can be made observable.
>> So whether Luria thinks about a clinician or a diagnostician or an actively
>> engaged patient, the dual stimulation method can serve one well.
>> Zasetsky, for instance, learned a way to recognize printed letters/words
>> (a picture visualization as I recall) in spite of massive brain damage but
>> sometimes it failed (some part was hidden from use) so he’d appear to
>> abandon the first stimulation and start up the second stimulation (maybe
>> reciting the letters in some order).  The second was so closely yoked to
>> the first that sooner or later there’d be a sort of collision.  Using the
>> second stimulation, he’d sooner or later get to the letter that had been
>> “hiding” when he had been relying on his first stimulation so whoosh the
>> second stimulation would now be interrupted and abandoned by the not really
>> ever abandoned first simulation and he could go back to recognizing letters
>> and getting the words in the print using his preferred first system.
>> Maybe?
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>> *From:* Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
>> *To:* "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 11:42 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience - from Mike Cole
>> So we have 4 distinct but interrelated concepts: system, model, unit of
>> analysis and method.
>> I will try to formulate a view on unit of analysis and method.
>> The idea of "artefact-mediated (collaborative) action" as a unit of
>> analysis (a generalisation of "word meaning") is the basis for the "method
>> of dual stimulation," as I see it.
>> Once you have a concept of that S - X - R triangle, as the unit of
>> action, then it suggests a method of investigation based on offering the
>> auxilliary stimulus, the artifact X, to the subject, S, to assist them to
>> complete the task, R. By varying teh artefact X and the task R,
>> investigation of S is possible.
>> Likewise, let us suppose that you see the mind as a psychological system
>> made up of functional subsystems each of which are interconnected,
>> irrespective of whether the subsystem in question itself produces
>> observable phenomena. This could be represented in a diagram, too,
>> something like S -> Ssys1 ---> Ssys2 -> R, meaning that every subsystem
>> (Ssys1) is connected with every other (Ssys2), and disturbance of Ssys1
>> will cause a disturbance to Ssys2, which may be manifeted in an observable
>> response, R.
>> So the implication of this is that the "unit of analysis" of an entire
>> psychological system is two functional subsystems with an interconnection.
>>  Ssys1 --- Ssys2.
>> This is not trivial, because much of Ssys1 will not be observable, and
>> this unit of analysis allows the investigator to study Ssys1 by means of
>> the observable responses via Ssys2.
>> The unit of analysis suggests the method.
>> Andy
>> Andy Blunden wrote:
>> > I think the issue is HOW one makes observable the "unintended motor
>> responses", Andy.
>> > The issue of whether the combined motor *method* is a unit of analysis.
>> I think it is a method.
>> > what whole is it the simplest instance of? It is a method for being
>> able to identify with some degree of certainty what another person is
>> thinking about. Help me get from there to what it is a unit of analysis of.
>> >
>> > mike
>> >
>> > ps- why is this not on xmca....
>> > (Andy mistakenly sent his previous message to Mike alone. This is just
>> to put it all back on xmca)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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