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Re: [xmca] unit of analysis

Very similiar to Ilyenkov's (siq) thinking on the Ideal.

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From: Andy Blunden
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Date: 06/27/2013 07:28PM
Subject: Re: [xmca] unit of analysis

And here is another quote from the same book, further clarifying
Davydov's view:

    The aforementioned requirements can be met only by an entirely
    /real/ relationship that is given in a form /that can be
    contemplated by the senses/. As an aspect of something concrete –
    that is, having its /particular/ form – it at the same time
    functions as a genetic basis for another whole (and in this sense it
    functions as a universal). Here the real, objective unity of the
    individual (particular) and the universal, their /connection/, which
    mediates the process of development of the whole, is observed”
    (Davydov 1990, p. 282).


Andy Blunden wrote:
> Eric, here is what Vasily Davydov says in his book on "Generalisation":
>    The uniqueness of this sort of initial abstraction appears in the
>    names for it: “concrete abstraction”, “the concrete-universal
>    relationship is the objective cell of the whole that is under
>    investigation”, “content-oriented abstraction”, or simply “cell”.
>    These names express in different ways the essence of an initial
>    abstraction as a simple relationship of concreteness. It
>    incorporates the potential of the whole, and at the same time it is
>    again reproduced by this whole as its general basis. In our opinion,
>    while all of these names are legitimate, it is advisable to use the
>    term /content-oriented, real abstraction/. In contrast to formal
>    abstraction, it is historical (it is a genetic basis), and its
>    content exists /concretely/, in the form of a relationship that can
>    be contemplated rather than merely in the mind.
> Andy
> ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:
>> Been considering this in depth recently and have an idea as "germ
>> cell" as an ideal of a conceptualiztion tool.
>> For instance in Yro's moon phase paper the unit of analysis is in
>> understanding knowledge acquisition as what the triangle of actiivy
>> expands upon.
>> Brazil's recent social upheavel would expand upon human subsistance
>> and basic needs.
>> The framework is in place for studying each of these activity systems
>> (perhaps systems isn't best word and another would provide better
>> clarity) with Yro's expanded triangle but because of the diversity of
>> human existence the "germ cell" proposition provides a good platform
>> for how to specify the utilization of the expanded triangle.
>> Thinking out loud
>> what do others think?
>> eric
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