Re: [xmca] Operations, mental images and emotions (!)

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

Hi Haydi,

I'm not following your train of thought. Yes, what humans do certainly becomes routinized. But how does this connect to "reified ideals"? I can't find that phrase in Leontiev's chapter 3.5.  I've been thinking that activity is defined by a motive, which could be an ideal but not necessarily so. (That's why I quoted Marx: I presume we'd agree that production is an activity? According to Marx production can be motivated by a mental image, a need, a desire...  But I repeat myself.)

Are you suggesting that once an activity's actions are routinized, it is no longer an activity?

And are you suggesting that having a baby becomes routine and automatic? I would imagine one would have to have a lot of babies for that to occur!  : )

Martin

On Apr 15, 2013, at 5:30 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Martin
> 
> There are many factors involved in this article .
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> In 3.5 of L's book , there's an example of the activity of 'driving' . Please read it again . First when you concentrate on changing gears , as it is conscious , it can be considered moment of activity . But when you change this goal , and think of speeding the car so that you might reach the destination , you no longer think of the changing of the gears . You AUTOMATICALLY  do it and it is removed from your consciousness as a goal . And please do remember that reified ideals are no longer ideal and that without 'ideality' you cannot involve in a activity cycle or generally in the FLOW of activities which L prefers to call it the 'sum total' of life itself . 
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> The routinized autonomic act of reproduction of generations need not to be activated / motivated generally . 
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> Finished products are there all the time ; at one certain point , they begin to reach the status of being an object to an activity ; while before being reified , all living material spiritual condition of an activity were true about them . Now , everything is extinct . 
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> I wonder if I can call it a reverse activity . At its normal state , if it is natural or social , is to be discussed . Though exhaustion prevails .  
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> I mean some activity was stopped because of the many factors involved in the situation and in relation to two different locations mentioned in the article . 
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> The NEED arose as to find ways to remove the hindrances and obstacles in the way of 'productivity' . 
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> This need motivated and now is motivating those involved to plan for actions ; actions , according to the article , are under way .
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> Conditions are also weighed down so that they will see if there are hopes for realization of the goals of the actions . 
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> THIS IS THE ACTIVITY OF REACHING LOW/HIGH RATE OF, RELATIVE / ABSOLUTE (NORMAL / PERFECT) FERTILITY . 
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> Best
> Haydi
> 
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> From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu> 
> Sent: Monday, 15 April 2013, 2:03:02
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Operations, mental images and emotions (!)
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> How's this for a neat example of the role of inorganic and organic cycles in the human activity/project of reproduction!
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> This from ethnography with the Abelam, who avoid sexual activity during the giant yam-growing season because it would upset the yams. The consequence is that no babies are born May through July.
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> (I assume we can all agree that having a baby is a collaborative activity/project, motivated by human needs and involving various goal-directed actions? Or is this too base and animalistic an analysis?)
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> Martin
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> Condon, R. G., & Scaglion, R. (1982). The ecology of human birth seasonally. Human Ecology, 10(4), 495-511. doi:10.1007/BF01531169
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