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Re: [xmca] Re: microgenesis?
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- Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: microgenesis?
- From: Greg Thompson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:48:08 -0600
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and of some relevance to the question of learning and development:
>From Marc Lewis' chapter: Interacting timescales in personality (and
cognitive) development: Intentions, emotions, and emergent forms (in
Granott and Parziale Microdevelopment: transition processes in development
"One of the most serious conundrums for cognitive developmentalists has
been the integration of time scales of learning and development. When
learning and development are simply viewed as different amounts of the same
thing, theorists fail to look for the transformations through which they
are related (Lerner, 1995). Conversely, when they are considered
incommensurable, theorists tend to dismiss one and concentrate on the other
rather than recognize their intrinsic complementarity (Granott, 1998). When
learning and development are viewed as distinct yet complementary, their
relationship is often assumed to be unidimensional and context-free, a
perspective that obscures the multiple, nonlinear pathways that connect
them (Fischer & Granott, 1995)."
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Greg Thompson <firstname.lastname@example.org>wrote:
> And/or in line with Heinz Werner's work on microgenesis, what about Mike's
> example of the attenuation and fading out of an image on the retina (into H
> or B or 8)?
> That is a microgenetic development, no?
> It certainly fitz in with Werner's work - which seems cousin to Vygotsky's
> work (hence my earlier question about links between Vygotsky and the
> Leipzig school of Psychology).
> But it does also seem like something different from how Wertsch has
> developed the notion of microgenesis, but perhaps a bit closer to
> Valsiner's development.
> I think this is a great start but that there is a lot more that needs to
> be included in the genesis of that development, esp. vis a vis the social
> context (what Andy might be calling "sociogenesis" - the development of the
> situation), but psychophysical perceptual developments seem like a good
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Andy Blunden <email@example.com> wrote:
>> Can I make a suggestion for what might be called a mirogenetic
>> development, Mike?
>> Performance of a form of an action by a child, with assistance, which
>> survives the situation in which the assistance was given. (with the proviso
>> that the form of action is culturally meaningful).
>> mike cole wrote:
>>> well we are sure agreed about the context dependent part. I argue for
>>> different principles of change in what ... I refer to as
>>> cultural-historical genesis. I am just real uncertain about how to
>>> characterize more micro levels of development/context/**historical.....
>>> Wertsch's paper is one of several treatments of the topic, the only one
>>> I could put my bytes on quickly and as a followup to Vera's suggestion.
>>> There are other papers with other examples. But first, what about what we
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