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Re: [xmca] "Rising to the concrete"

On 15 August 2012 13:01, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Well, these issues are not going to be solved in 5 minutes, Huw. Analog
> and digital belong to a completely different frame than the concepts of
> abstract/concrete and general/universal which I think Greg asked about
> initially.

Analog was an elaboration.  This point is not necessary to resolve
"universal" in the Lenin quote.


> Let me be brief then. Ilyenkov famously makes the point that (exchange)
> value is an ideal, but it is also real. The market implements a process of
> abstracting the value of commodities but it is the very concreteness of the
> market which makes that process possible.

Democracy is an ideal which really motivates millions of people and
> underpins constitutional governments.

> Universal suffrage allows that insane people, criminals and children do
> not vote. And what is more, when the President is elected, only the votes
> of 51% count. (There are of course plenty of "Ah, but ..."s about this, but
> this is what is meant by the difference between the general and the
> universal.)
> http://www.marxists.org/**reference/archive/hegel/works/**
> sl/slsubjec.htm#SL163n1b<http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/slsubjec.htm#SL163n1b>
> Andy
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