Re: [xmca] schools-without-computers-by-choice-and-conviction-that-they-dont-help-kids

[Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>]

Maybe reality penetrates us :-)


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 27 October 2011 20:56, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 27 October 2011 20:47, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Huw,
> >> Is reality really something to be "penetrated."
> >> -greg
> >>
> >
> > If you wish to get from one side of a city to another, there are finite
> > ways of doing so using conventional transport.  If you wish to articulate
> > that intention in terms of a particular route, you will have to mentally
> > penetrate the fog of obstacles from A to B prior to an accurate
> > articulation.  Does 'penetrating to reality' sound better?  Hopefully the
> > gist is clear.
> >
> >
> ... but that also the intention successfully acted upon is a change and
> thereby a form of penetrating reality.
>
> Linking with ideas around transitional phenomena (and the like).
>
> How does that sit, Greg?
>
> Huw
>
>
> > Huw
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 27 October 2011 19:17, Linda Polin <linda.polin@pepperdine.edu>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Huw Lloyd wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Programming is part of a domain of articulated intentionality, of
> >> > > > penetrating reality.  The issue with simplified environments is
> the
> >> > > minimal
> >> > > > penetration.  One is limited to a scope that was designed for.
>  The
> >> > > spirit
> >> > > > of programming goes beyond this to a deeper appreciation of
> >> processes.
> >> > >
> >> > > I was trying to indicate the openness and range of the possible in
> >> > > Minecraft, which doesn't sacrifice the playfulness that I find
> lacking
> >> in
> >> > > straight up programming except for people who enjoy debugging. I do
> >> find
> >> > it
> >> > > hard to grok programming as uniquely "penetrating reality," though.
> >> Could
> >> > > you explain that? Perhaps I need "articulated intentionality"
> unpacked
> >> as
> >> > > well since I see most goal driven construction efforts, e.g., to
> >> create a
> >> > > machine in Minecraft, as articulated and intentional.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > I can't say I recall writing 'uniquely', Linda.
> >> >
> >> > Huw
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