Re: [xmca] ISCAR (review) Perezhivanie + vivencia

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Fernando's text is at papers for discussion at xmca.

I am uncomfortable with the hugely broad range of definitions of
perezhivanie floating around. Isn't the phrase, "self-regulated
psychological system of personality," applicable to a large range of
phenomena?

mike

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Volker Bunzendahl <volker@volker.dk>wrote:

> P.P. Portes&   S. Salas (ed.)(2011): /Vygotsky in
> the 21st century society - advances in cultural historical theory and
> praxis with non-dominant communities/, Peter Lang, New York
>
>
>
> Den 26-09-2011 18:20, Joao skrev:
>
>> Volker and Mike, what is reference Rey and Arias texts?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> João Martins
>>
>>
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>> Behalf Of Volker Bunzendahl
>> Sent: segunda-feira, 26 de setembro de 2011 07:46
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>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR (review) Perezhivanie + vivencia
>>
>> I have all the abstracts on a usb key, but I am not sure it is ok
>> (copyright) to lay them out here.
>>
>> The article by Fernando in the Portes book, is very interesting
>> (revolutionary)!.
>>
>> But, if Fernando or others can help: Rey; 2011:49: /Perezhivanie/ should
>> be
>> understood as a self-regulated psychological system of personality.
>>
>> In the next chapter in the book, Guillermo Arias (2011:57) introduces the
>> concept of /vivencia/. He cites Vygotsky: Vivencia is the true dynamic
>> unit
>> of conscience, and Arias explains: Vivencia is the basic functional unit
>> of
>> the psychological, or the mind or subjectivity.
>>
>> My question is, what is the relation between this two words, is
>> Perezhivanie
>> the more personal part of vivencia, or??
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Anyway, it seems to me, that this focus on personality, subjectivity
>> questions is a very important matter: is it activity, or activity systems,
>>
>> or vivencia, which it the unit, we start with. And is vivencia, in a way,
>> an
>> activity system?
>> Arias, 2011:59: Marx's idea that the essence of human beings is social
>> relations and not activity, or work only is very important. Indeed, social
>>
>> relations encompass work and other relationships (Marx&Engels, 1986).
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The funny thing - in my mind - is, that the talk about actions research,
>> and
>> here subjectivity get connected.
>> How?
>> I would like to find out, if Fernando - when he talks about sense, or when
>>
>> he cites A.A. Leontjev, using the term /sense field/, had Kurt Lewins
>> "Felt-Theorie", Field-Theory, in mind. - Vygotsky and Lewin met a few
>> times,
>> and as I see it, Vygotsky uses some of Lewins thoughts about the dynamics
>> of
>> the social and the personal fields.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Volker
>>
>> Den 24-09-2011 05:15, mike cole skrev:
>>
>>> Thanks Volker--
>>>
>>> Fernando expressed an interest in having his paper in the Portes et al
>>> volume discussed at XMCA and I have a copy somewhere. I will post when
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Its odd you mention the AR-CHAT issue of MCA, Volker. I was hoping
>>> there would be more discussion of the papers since we had access to all
>>> of
>>>
>> them.
>>
>>> Are you proposing that we post some more from that symposium or that
>>> get Bella to send us her talk??
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Volker Bunzendahl<volker@volker.dk>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> second thoughts, part 3
>>>>
>>>> symposium nr. 103: Testing the limits of CHAT in diverse contexts and
>>>> global realities.
>>>>
>>>> It was - for me - the highlight of the conference, where the topic,
>>>> subjectivity changed my way of being me, in the moment.
>>>> The room was filled up, people were sitting on the floor, - and Pedro
>>>> Portes, Alex Kozulin,  Luis C. Moll and - the most impressive of them
>>>> all, - Fernando Gonzales Rey changed our view of looking at CHAT, at
>>>> Vygotskys different working periods (moments) - and at the same time
>>>> made theory practical, in questions about immigration and
>>>> non-dominant communities, about how there is no subjectivity without
>>>> objectivity, that is our subjectivity is constructed by social
>>>>
>>> participation in cultures.
>>
>>> I will not, here, start a more detailed review of this symposium.
>>>> Instead I will show you a picture of the event, and I will point to
>>>> the book, which expands what this symposium was about.
>>>>
>>>> The book is named: P.P. Portes&   S. Salas (ed.)(2011): /Vygotsky in
>>>> the 21st century society - advances in cultural historical theory and
>>>> praxis with non-dominant communities/, Peter Lang, New York
>>>>
>>>> This might be an answer to Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Were there any discussions of the theory/practice relationship that
>>>> seemed
>>>>
>>>> to you helpful?
>>>>
>>>> But I think MCA, nr. 2, about action reseach and CHAT maybe
>>>> influenced me, . while I listened to Bella Kotiks speech.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Volker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Den 14-09-2011 00:20, Volker Bunzendahl skrev:
>>>>
>>>>
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