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Re: [xmca] Collective Experience vs. Individual Experience? (Help, anyone?)



OK, I've bought that. Between the on line collection and that book, I should be OK. No excuses. I found "The Metaphysical Club" by Louis Menand, a fascinating read, putting Dewey in philosophical and historical context, but I always crave a first-hand read. There was a series which did the thing as what you describe, Michael, - a series of critiques plus a response by the writer, and I recall that the one on Einstein was excellent. Maybe this was originally part of the same series.

Andy
PS. just heard this guy on the radio saying that "what people want from a quality education is to be competitive in the market place." What sort of world do we live in?!

Michael Glassman wrote:
Andy,
There is a book called the Philosophy of John Dewey. It is something of a Festschrift, done near the end of his career, but done in a very different way. The First part of the book is a series of critiques and discussions of John Dewey by some of the most important thinkers of the first part of the twentieth century. You will recognize many of the names, a real who's who of mostly philosophy. In the second part of the book Dewey responds to all of the chapters and attempts to explain his ideas in light of these challenging ideas. It is a really fascinating read - I think the best way to approach it is by reading the section written by Dewey and then go back and read the chapters you find most interesting as he works through his response. I wish we still did things like this in academia - Dewey is so fair and good natured in his response, but very firm. If you want to read Dewey by Dewey this is a great place to start. The need to respond to well conceived critiques really pushes him to be efficient and clear in his thought. Michael
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Subject: Re: [xmca] Collective Experience vs. Individual Experience? (Help,anyone?)



I am bewildered by this pagem Tony.
Can you recommend a page where I can read Dewey on philosophy at some
length - his work on group problem solving, learning, his critique of
Hegel, and so on.

Andy

Tony Whitson wrote:
Thanks, Andy, that is helpful.
An
The Dewey is posted here:
https://tw-curricuwiki.wikispaces.com/Dewey--culture%2C+experience

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Andy Blunden wrote:

Herder, as I understand him, saw collective experience as an
important facet in the formation of the character of a people. I
think part of the problem is that "experience" has been such a
contested term, Tony. Generally it has been co-opted by Empiricism,
which is by its nature individualist and by definition the philosophy
of experiene, but Dewey used the word in formulating his view. But
didn't he later say that he regretted using the word "experience"
because it led to misunderstandings? Personally, I think /shared/
experience is the most powerful force in changing Zeitgeist and
individual mninds en masse. You have an experience, and then you find
that everyone else experienced the same thing and that event then
becomes a central focus of your collaboration with other people. What
could be more world-changing?

Andy

Tony Whitson wrote:
This query is prompted by a new book:

Peck, Don. Pinched: How the Great Recession Has Narrowed Our Futures
and
What We Can Do About It. New York: Crown Pub., 2011.

http://www.amazon.com/Pinched-Great-Recession-Narrowed-Futures/dp/0307886522

/

in which the author looks more deeply into predictable ramifications
of the
current economic situation than I have seen in other recent work.


Based on historical, sociological, and other literatures and modes of
research, the author argues that what we're dealing with now is not
just a
wave in a recurring cycle. He predicts lasting changes that he
expects to
deeply impact different generational cohorts for decades to come.


His argument is plausible, at least, to me. But it prompts me to wonder
about experience that is really collective experience, as opposed to
individual experience.


Exposing my ignorance, I realize that I can't think of literature on
the
nature and structure of collective experience. It seems like there
must be a
lot; but I can't think of it. It also seems like xmca is a likely
place to
find people who would be interested, and would know about such
literature
(although it's not on-topic in the current threads).


I'm thinking of my first earthquake experience last month as an
example of
an individual experience. It was totally unlike anything I'd ever
experienced before, and it took me a few seconds to even recognize
that an
earthquake is what was happening (we don't have those in Delaware).
I was at
my desk, at home, by myself when it happened.
Of course, the experience was mediated after the fact from my
sociocultural
awareness of earthquakes. Still, I think it was an individual
experience in
the moment, compared with the collective experience that Don Peck is
writing
about -- an experience of events and developments over time, in
which the
experience of others participates, throughout, in the experience of
any one.


I am thinking that there might be something else that could be called
"shared experience," intermediate between individual and collective
experience.


Does this make any sense? Is this question of interest to anyone? Or
am I
naïvely wondering about things that have been well developed in the
literature?


I would be interested if anyone has ideas or references to share on
this.

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