Re: [xmca] perception/conception etc

[ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org]

Martin:

I understand your misgivings about placing construction within but perhaps 
this makes sense:  concepts are appropriated from the social/cultural 
arena but percepts are individually based.  My percepts about music may 
run counter to yours and there are even days I don't want to listen to Bob 
Dylan.  However, I have an appropriated concept of music that is probably 
extremely similar to yours.  Does this make sense?  I know this 
internal/exteranl debate has raged for years and won't end anytime soon 
but some things do indeed happen within.  I still have to think though 
that cracking this code between everyday and scietific could assist in 
understanding human development.

eric



From:   Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
To:     "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Date:   07/08/2010 05:00 PM
Subject:        Re: [xmca] perception/conception etc
Sent by:        xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu



> What do others think? 
> mike

Well to me, for what it's worth, this way of talking of percepts and 
concepts as constructions used by individual minds sounds quite 
cognitivist. Where is the real world? 

I'm going to steal this wonderful quotation from an article by Tim 
Koschmann:

"If we shut up thought in the mind, how does it come to know reality? If 
we let it loose in the world, how does it preserve its virginity?"  
(Jones, W.T. (1969). A history of western philosophy (2nd Ed.), vol. 3, p. 
189)

...and add that since we socioculturalists know that social intercourse is 
crucial for ontogenesis, the second concern is not a real issue.

Martin

> 1. Object of perception
> *a1856* W. HAMILTON<
http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-h.html#w-hamilton>
> *Lect. Metaphysics* (1860) III. iii. 42 Whether it might not..be proper 
to
> introduce the term percept for the object of perception.



On Jul 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, David Kellogg wrote:

> a) Percepts are constructions (of course, socioculturally generated) 
that individual minds put on perception. They are therefore 
representational generalizations and not abstractions of ideal 
relationships.
> 
> b) Concepts are constructions (of course, stored and used by individual 
minds) that sociocultural groups put on idealized relationships. They are 
therefore abstractions and not simply generalizations of percepts.

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