Attached is a paper on years of schooling and the formality of definitions
given by Mexican women. Part of a much larger set of papers but directly
related to earlier paper by Snow and ulvi's dissertation topic. Not sure
where/how best to respond to Andy's note because i am unsure if people
regard it as peripheral or central to Vygotskian and other theories of
culture and development.
I see this "nouns" test as well as the paper with D'Andrade as relevant, but
also as leaving plenty of room for a study that uses the "everyday/
scientific" distinction and studies it as a function of years of schooling.
mike
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 9:02 AM, ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested on the effect of schooling on concept formation, the
> relationswhip between everyday and scientific concetps as a candidate
> research topic for my master thesis that I will start to work October 2010
> onwards !
>
> Ulvi
>
>
>
> 2010/6/26, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>:
>>
>> That article connects to several ongoing threads, Andy. But lets see if
>> others are interested before I directly comment.
>>
>> Instead, I think that the cover of the current issue of the New Yorker
>> magazine provides interesting food for thought one concepts and their
>> representations. It is accessible from www.newyorker.com. Try to click
>> on
>> the cover and than use control+ (on a pc) to get a larger and larger
>> imaged.
>> The different layers of meaning appear to move between the syntagmatic and
>> paradigmatic dimensions of meaning making. Besides,
>> its clever.
>> mike
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I just had a read of Mike's 1982 paper with Roy D'Andrade on the
>> influence
>> > of schooling on concept formation:
>> >
>> > http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/ap82v4n2.PDF
>> >
>> > Great paper!
>> >
>> > It occurred to me that Luria is in agreement with many others that a
>> > hierarchical system of categories, a taxonomy, is the archetype of the
>> > "abstract" concept. Luria's conception of how this relates to prior
>> forms of
>> > concept (affective and concrete) is the main point of interest in the
>> > article, but I would like to question whether this taxonomical idea is
>> valid
>> > as the archetype of the "true" concept. The article claims that
>> taxonomical
>> > practices ("true" or not) are archetypal school practices, and this is
>> an
>> > interesting and different question.
>> >
>> > An interesting counterpoint to this is Hegel's classification of 3
>> > different components which he thinks must *all* be present in the
>> formation
>> > of a true concept:
>> >
>> > The subject is (a) ascribed certain qualities; (b) seen as having having
>> a
>> > certain place in a system of social practice; and (c) taken under its
>> genus,
>> > as belonging to a certain living whole.
>> >
>> > Further, I think (c) does not actually amount to the kind of Linnaean
>> > hierarchical family tree, but could also be interpreted like genre and
>> > archetype without the implied underlying totality. Also, there is all
>> too
>> > much room for subsuming (c) under (a) as almost all of present-day
>> > philosophy and natural science are wont to do.
>> >
>> > Mike, you have done a lot of work on the role of this "taxonomical
>> > activity" in and out of school. Davydov on the other hand, emphasises
>> (b) as
>> > opposed to (a). It would be interesting to investigate concept-formation
>> on
>> > this wider frame.
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
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