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RE: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?

I understand, thank you once more. I did not read the intire volume,I confess, only few texts. But I remember Kozulin (1990) quotes aboutthe importance of that matter you sing - the need to teach everydayconcepts like cientific concepts in mental retarded children, somethinglike that. The relation with deaf studies I really didint knew yet. Its anexcelent indication. Thank you. Excuse me about my insistence about the Shif's specific paper about the matter. I will see better all the volume 5.
Best.
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:25:03 +0200
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> From: ulvi.icil@gmail.com
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> 
> Sorry, when I said volume two , I mentioned the whole volume two in English
> published in 1993 from Plenum. The whole volume is devoted to Vygotsky's
> writings on defectology both in general and specifically on blind child and
> others.
> Please remember that Vygotsky's scientific and everyday concepts distinction
> means an important contribution in the analysis of the development of
> deaf-mute children especially...Because everyday concepts can only arise
> from scientific concepts for these children... This should have been
> mentioned in that Afterword by Soviet editors...as far as I remember
> 
> 
> 2010/1/15, Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > I guess Ulvi is talking about a afterword in Collected Works (CW) from
> > Vygotski, in English volume 2,but in Russian volume 5 (defectology) -
> > Sobranie Sochnienii. It is an article by E.S. Bein, T.A. Vlasova,
> > R.E.Levina, N.G. Morozova, and Zh. I. Shif. I have the Spanish version too
> > (Obras Escogidas)... (volume 5 has in Russian). Its a good tip, but I was
> > really interested in the problem of concept formation... and the
> > methodVigotski/Shif to study the problem of cientific <-> everyday concepts
> > mutual intercourse.
> > Thank you very much you both, Ulvi and Anton.
> > Best.
> > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:48:53 -0800
> > > From: the_yasya@yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > >
> > > Sure. This is --
> > >
> > > Shif, Z. I. Development of children in schools for mentally retarded.
> > > In M. Cole & I. Maltzman (Eds.), A handbook of contemporary
> > > Soviet psychology. New York: Basic Books, 1969
> > >
> > > A caveat though. I would not be that sure that this work unconditionally
> > qualifies as an example of "Vygotskian defectology", and the connection
> > between this stuff and Vygotsky's work needs to be thoroughly explored.
> > >
> > > Then, another caveat. There are quite a few works written and published
> > by Vygotsky's former students and/or collaborators, so, as you certainly
> > know, this chapter by Shif is by no means exceptional and is only a a few
> > pages piece out of several hundred (if not thousand!) pages corpus of
> > literature on the subject and a minor episode of a very long story.
> > >
> > > In turn, may I ask you what exactly you mean by "Vygotsky's CW":
> > publisher, language, the composition of the volume, etc?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: ulvi icil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 11:24:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > >
> > > Hi Anton,
> > > Can you please cite the name of this work in English please,  nowadays I
> > > work on a simple introductory article on volume two on defectology of
> > > Vygotsky's CW , which I hope to share with xmca soon.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/1/15, Anton Yasnitsky <the_yasya@yahoo.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I personally strongly doubt any translation of this book ever existed.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck anyway!
> > > >
> > > > -- However, there is other stuff by Shif available in English, but it
> > is
> > > > hardly related to her Leningrad work and represent her later Moscow
> > work in
> > > > defectology...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 2:37:26 AM
> > > > Subject: [xmca] Zhozephina Shif – something in English?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi XMCA
> > > > people…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In order to
> > > > help another friend of mine, biologist, studying scientific concepts
> > > > development, I’m wonder if you have any notice about English (Spanish,
> > > > French,
> > > > etc.) publication from the following text:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shif, J. I. “Razvitie nauchnykh ponyatii u schko’nika:
> > > > Issledovanie k voprosu umstvenogo razvitiya shkol’nika pri obuchenii
> > > > obshchestvovedeniyu” [The development of scientific concepts in the
> > school
> > > > child: The investigation of intellectual development of the school
> > child in
> > > > social science instruction]. Moscow – Leningrad: Gosudarstvennoe
> > > > Uchebno-Pedagicheskoe Izdatel’stvo. 1935.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I’m trying
> > > > the Russian high now, but we are not so prepared to actually translate
> > > > Russian so
> > > > soon, without a huge time spending… And there are many other Russian
> > needs
> > > > prior at the schedule, most of that already provide thanks you all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have any notice... :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > > very much. Good 2010 for all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > > wishes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Achilles.
> > > >
> > > >
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