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FW: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
Thank you Tony, for both contributions, the reference, and reflection
about semiotics in Leontiev and Peirce. Very interesting and challenging.
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:32:54 -0400
> From: twhitson@UDel.Edu
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> Subject: Re: [xmca] Leontiev and Sign
> The questions L is asking make me think of the linguistic anthropologist
> Michael Silverstein. (Anybody here have views of his work?) A relevant
> collection, including some Silverstein, but also Wertsch, Holzman, and
> others is SOCIAL AND FUNCTIONAL APROACHES TO LANGUAGE AND THOUGHT, edited
> by Maya Hickmann, Academic Press 1987. There's only one Leontyev ref in
> the index, which is in a string of citations incl. Vygotsky, Luria,
> Leontyev, Scribner & Cole, LCHC 1981, and Wertsch. That appears in a
> chapter by Elinor Ochs, with whom, if I'm not mistaken, David Kirshner has
> had some acquaintance.
> L's conjecture (below) seems harmonious with Peirce, it seems to me,
> except that Peirce would start not with perception, but with "feeling,"
> which we can't really know directly because it is eclipsed by any thinking
> about it. But Peirce was very much concerned with how more advanced signs
> spring from and depend on such things as feeling and perception. Again,
> though, the caution that he wrote as a logician, not as a psychologist or
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Achilles Delari Junior wrote:
> > Hi, XMCA.
> > In his letter to Vigotski, A. N. Leontiev wrote about a number of theoretical
> > that he understood "fundamental". The fifth one touch the problem of "sign".
> > He said, for instance that "my intuition here is that the sign is the key!"
> > I think that is very important to recognize that Vygotsky's theory is also
> > an activity theory, but is there some study that searchs Leontiev's contributions
> > to "semiotic mediation" theory?
> > "5. In addition to these it is essential to work out theoretical questions,
> > directly guiding specific research.
> > It seems to me that among them belong: (a) The problem of F[unctional]
> > S[ystems]: “possible” (i.e., something like quantum) I[nter]f[unctional]
> > relations and “possible” functions of functions (after all a system is not a
> > spring salad, but something presupposing only the possible, i.e., certain
> > combinations); (b) Determination of i[nter]f[unctional] relations (the conditions
> > under which they arise, the process of their birth, factors (= determinants);
> > here an experiment in their artificial formation is necessary,
> > that is, a “dynamic argument” is needed, an experiment along the lines of
> > “ingrowth”). Here, it is necessary to think through the place, the role of
> > the sign; my belief, or more precisely, my intuition here is that the sign
> > is the key! Roughly speaking, the first operations with quantities involve
> > perception, further, the f[unctional] s[ystem] of perception, an
> > intell[ectual] operation. What has transformed the perc[eption] of quantities—
> > this simple operation, into a higher intell[ectual] function? The
> > inclusion of a unique sign—the concept of numbers, that is, the sign, a
> > medium of intell[ect] (thought!). If this concept is real, then perception,
> > operations with quantities using it specifically, is also included in a
> > syst[em] of conceptual thought. This is all very crude and the example
> > has not turned out successfully (it seems—there is no time to think!);
> > (c) The problem “intellect–will,” that is, the problem (figuring out the
> > problem!) of intention (this is already a given!); and (d) personality as a
> > syst[em] expressed in concr[ete] problems, that is, how it is formulated."
> > (LEONTIEV, 2005, pp. 74-75)
> > Journal of Russian and East European Psychology, vol. 43, no. 3,
> > May–June 2005, pp. 70–77.
> > © 2005 M.E. Sharpe, Inc.
> > Thank you.
> > Achilles
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> Tony Whitson
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