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Re: [xmca] Why Does LSV Compare 3 and 7 Year Olds?
Vygotsky is most interested in understanding development of higher
psychological functions as they pertain to consciousness. In so doing it
is only possible to compare stages, in this case a three year old's level
of development with a sevffen year old's development. He uses
thinking/thought and speech/language as the vehicle for this exploration.
A seven year old's volition is so far beyond that of the three year old
that Vygotsky's is summizing (from his experiments) that the
thinking/thoughts a seven year old internalizes/appropriates do not
resemble social speech but rather a sophisticated short cut.
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Subject: [xmca] Why Does LSV Compare 3 and 7 Year Olds?
I'm having some trouble. In Chapter Seven, p. 261 of Vol 1, Vygotsky is
showing us that so-called egocentric speech is becoming structurally and
functionally differentiated from social speech. The egocentric speech of
the three year old is quite similar to his communictive speech. But four
years later the picture is very different.
The problem is that in this paragraph he seems to be comparing the
egocentric speech of the seven year old with the social speech of a three
year old. Why would he do that? Why doesn't he compare like with like, the
egocentric speech of a seven year old with the social speech of a seven
"В 3 года отличие этой речи от коммуникативной речи ребенка почти равно
нулю. В 7 лет перед нами речь, которая почти по всем своим функциональным
и структурным особенностям отличается от социальной речи трехлетки."
Meccaci has: "At 3 years the difference between this speech and the
communicative speech of the child is almost zero, while at 7 this speech
differs (entirely and completely, one hundred percent)* in almost all its
functional and structural special features from the social speech of
(Another mystery! Meccaci notes that the words in parentheses were omitted
in 1982, but I can't find them in the Labirinth edition which is
supposedly based on the 1934 text.)
Seoul National University of Education
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