Re: [xmca] Where is thinking

[Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Thanks for that extra bit of info, Andy. The internet has become a
treacherous terrain, and all help is appreciated.
mike

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Mike, my experience is that if I send from the wrong email address it
> doesn't make it at all (which I think was the case this time with Karin),
> but if I send a message with format (eg indents or bold type) then the
> message appears blank (which is what happened with mktostes yesterday).
>
> Andy
>
>
> Mike Cole wrote:
>
>> ALL --   When a message does not make it to XMCA it is almost always
>> because
>> the person has changed email addresses, even slightly.
>> Achilles. Please check Karin's email on the membership list with the one
>> you
>> have. It will help solve the problem.
>>
>> This caution is used to keep spamming from overwhelming the list.
>> mike
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Achilles Delari Junior <
>> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear all, Karin Quast had problems with posting:
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 19/04/2009 11:52, mktostes < mktostes@uol.com.br > escreveu:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this one does not appear blanck as other messages of mine in the
>>> past.
>>>
>>> I have found 'L. Gumplowicz' or even L. von Gumplowicz on google.
>>>
>>> seems interesting!
>>>
>>> Karin Quast
>>>
>>>
>>>  Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:52:52 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Where is thinking - con't from Tony
>>>> From: lchcmike@gmail.com
>>>> To: vygotsky@unm.edu
>>>> CC: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>
>>>> Where is the dichotomy, Vera? Its and/both, heterochronously and
>>>> heterogeneously, relationally and non-linearly.
>>>> So we murder to dissect, routinely.
>>>> (Which constantly gives us more than enough to chat about!)mike
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Vera Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>> I keep on thinking that we,too, fall into a dichotomy when we reject
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> inside/outside dynamic process. These are at time simultaneous actions:
>>>>> appropriation, transformation, externalization  and their impact on the
>>>>> speech
>>>>> community, while they are also part of the process of brain/neuronal
>>>>> changes.
>>>>> When I remember one of the messages from the xmca community, I engage
>>>>>
>>>> in an
>>>
>>>> act that requires neuronal activity and  while I am reformulating,
>>>>> communicating with the source of my thinking activity, this community,
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>
>>>> co-participate in the sustained thinking activities of others. By
>>>>>
>>>> viewing
>>>
>>>> these activities as either/or we are shaped by our opponents' Cartesian
>>>>> beliefs and terminology.  I cannot write these words without the words
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> others, but I am also moving my fingers--there is no space for other
>>>>>
>>>> fingers
>>>
>>>> on the keyboard. We are profoundly, irrevocably  interdependent. We
>>>>>
>>>> need a
>>>
>>>> new set of terms to express the consequences of that interdependence
>>>>>
>>>> when it
>>>
>>>> comes to psychological processes which have not a single but
>>>>>
>>>> distributed
>>>
>>>> locations,
>>>>> Vera
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: [xmca] Where is thinking - con't from Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  To shorten the string of trailing messages and focus on just one of
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>
>>>> interesting responses:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Tony Whitson <twhitson@udel.edu>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:44 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Where is thinking?
>>>>>> To: mcole@weber.ucsd.edu, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For what it's worth:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thought is what it is only by virtue of its addressing a future
>>>>>>
>>>>> thought
>>>
>>>> which is in its value as thought identical with it, though more
>>>>>>
>>>>> developed.
>>>
>>>> In this way, the existence of thought now depends on what is to be
>>>>>> hereafter; so that it has only a potential existence, dependent on the
>>>>>> future thought of the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No present actual thought (which is [in itself] a mere feeling) has
>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>
>>>> meaning, any intellectual value; for this lies not in what is actually
>>>>>> thought, but in what this thought may be connected with in
>>>>>>
>>>>> representation
>>>
>>>> by
>>>>>> subsequent thoughts, so that the meaning of a thought is altogether
>>>>>> something virtual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Accordingly, just as we say that a body is in motion, and not that
>>>>>>
>>>>> motion
>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>> in a body, we ought to say that we are in thought, and not that
>>>>>>
>>>>> thoughts
>>>
>>>> are
>>>>>> in us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Charles Peirce, Writings 2: 241,227,227
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> Reading this puts me strongly in mind of the epigram of the chapter 7
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>
>>>> Thinking and Speech, "I forgot the word I wanted to say, and thought,
>>>>>> unembodied, returned to the hall of shadows."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Locally a couple of us have been re-re-re-visiting this idea and what
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> to us an incompleteness that is picked up by Pierce and which relates
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>> relationship between
>>>>>> imagining and creating as well as sense and meaning. For LSV the
>>>>>> externalized thought-in-word completes the thought, providing the
>>>>>>
>>>>> "most
>>>
>>>> stable zone of sense." But we were focused
>>>>>> on the hearer of the utterance and how it was then interpreted and
>>>>>> subsequently given further life or not as very important..... the
>>>>>>
>>>>> later
>>>
>>>> history of what Vygotsky called the embodied thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fear the invitations to confusion in all the inside/outside
>>>>>>
>>>>> invocations
>>>
>>>> in
>>>>>> what we are quoting and composing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
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