RE: [xmca] Subtleties of Presentation Media

From: White, Phillip (
Date: Sat Feb 17 2007 - 07:50:29 PST

hey, David - while i do use ppt in class presentations, i never make them available to students precisely for the reason that students then participate less - and expect a hard-copy as well. what a waste of paper that is! ppt developed as a way to support presentations, not pre-empt them, i think.
Phillip A. White, Lecturer
University of Colorado at Denver, Health Sciences Center
School of Education, Human Development
Teacher Education


From: on behalf of David Preiss
Sent: Sat 2/17/2007 1:17 AM
To:; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] Subtleties of Presentation Media

Re the use of ppt in classes I have started to wonder whether they are indeed
a good teaching tool. I have seen that, in some cases, they decrease student
notetaking, student attendance and might erode participation since the set of
the lesson is pre-fixed and they create the ilussion that they are ALL the
story. And you can alwats get the ppt as student. So why going to classes?
Thus, I started wondering how would it be to come back to the old days of
ppt-less lecturing or reducing them to a minimum. Would love to hear

Mike Cole escribió:
> Ugh... michael..... rationality in the sense of having a reason, not
> necessarily being ugh ugh
> logical/rationa?
> mike
> On 2/16/07, Michael Glassman <> wrote:
>> David,
>> What an interesting story. I have been doing some reading and thinking on
>> connectivity lately and have come to the conclusion that three little
>> letters - www - are going to change our universe in ways that we can't
>> imagine. One of the ways I believe it is going to change things is by
>> changing the concept of boundaries, and the notion that ideas can somehow
>> can be treated as property. That's right - I think there is a real
>> possibility that intellectual property will become a thing of the past. Is
>> this a good thing or a bad thing. It's hard to say, but I think it is
>> coming. Industries that live on intellectual property rights - like
>> recording, publishing, entertainment - are fighting like mad, but I'm not
>> sure they will be able to do anything to stop the wave.
>> So getting back to your particular scenario. What would have been the
>> difference if the TA found your Power Point presentation on the internet,
>> and downloaded it, or better yet hyperlinked it (so many of my students
>> bring their portables to class - and at Cornell my nephew had to buy one as
>> a freshman). And then some of those students thought there was something
>> interesting and hyperlinked it to some people they know. Unless you had a
>> trackback function, you wouldn't even know where it was going or who was
>> using it. People would change it, people would add to it, people would
>> desecrate it. But every person using the idea would be equal because what
>> was important were the ideas that you created and they took on a life of
>> their own. Perhaps the slides would come back to you in a form you didn't
>> even recognize. But it wouldn't matter because you connected with all of
>> these people - your ideas became viral rather than remaining
>> hierarchical. The only thing that creates boundaries on the ideas is
>> rationality. Of cours there may be a really dark side to this whole
>> phenomenon, there always is. But like I said, I'm thinkng we need to
>> redefine our ideas of boundaries and ownership.
>> Michael
>> ________________________________
>> From: on behalf of David H Kirshner
>> Sent: Fri 2/16/2007 11:07 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: [xmca] Subtleties of Presentation Media
>> A few days ago I gave a PowerPoint presentation of my research to our
>> department. After the presentation, a graduate teaching assistant in the
>> department whom I've known for a number of years asked me if he could have
>> a copy of the presentation so that he could follow-up with one of his
>> classes (some of his students also were at the presentation). I
>> immediately
>> agreed, but after some debate with myself, I decided to give him hard copy
>> of the slides instead. The medium of PowerPoint would erode the boundaries
>> between him and me.
>> Here's a snippet from my note to him. I wonder if this phenomenon has been
>> observed/discussed before in the media literature.
>> Comments welcome.
>> David Kirshner
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hi xxxx,
>> I've copied out all of my slides (about 50), and left them in your
>> mailbox.
>> I'd intended to send you the PowerPoint presentation itself, but in the
>> end
>> felt uncomfortable about doing that.
>> It's an interesting media phenomenon. If I give you photocopies of the
>> slides and you distribute them for discussion to your students, it's very
>> clear what are the boundaries between my contribution, and yours. The
>> slides are mine, the discussion is yours. However, the PowerPoint medium
>> is
>> inherently incomplete. If you present my slides as a PowerPoint
>> presentation, it no longer is possible to clearly demarcate our
>> boundaries.
>> That's because the in the PowerPoint setting, the slides are inseparable
>> from the commentary. Thus it's not possible to distinguish what part of
>> the
>> commentary is you and what part is me.
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David D. Preiss Ph.D.
Profesor Auxiliar / Assistant Professor
Pontificia Universidad Católica de Chile
Escuela de Psicología.
Av. Vicuña Mackenna 4860.
Macul, Santiago de Chile.

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