Re: [xmca] perhaps. . .

Date: Wed Dec 20 2006 - 11:34:24 PST

Hello Deb:

Thank you for your response to my question.

When I use "scientific concept" I am using Vygotsky's term. Kozulin
describes the idea well in his intro to "Thought and Language" Pg xxxiii,
"Scientific concepts originate in the highly structured and specialized
activity of classroom instruction and impose on a child a logically defined
concept. . ." I believe that there can be a zoped whenever any
culturally-historically logically constructed concept is the focus of a
culturally based activity that has an attainable goal as the outcome. Play
can be a culturally based activity with an attainable goal.


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Okay, now I'm really confused. How do we define "scientific concepts"?
there be no zoped when artistic concepts, painting for example, are in


On 12/20/06, <> wrote:
> . . .this may be a better definition of a zoped:
> a culturally based activity that provides an opportunity for individuals
> to
> apply scientific concepts to everyday experiences via the assistance of
> somebody more experienced with the scientific concepts related to the
> goals
> of the culturally based activity.
> Unfortunately I implied in the prior post there was assistance of someone
> with experience. I would also like to emphasize that the question posed
> by
> the teacher in the room would be a set up to allow the students to ask
> questions of the speaker, fulfilling the imitation requirement that
> Vygotsky emphasizes in his chapter, "The development of scientific
> concepts
> in childhood" of his "Thought and Language" tome. Page 188 of the 1999
> Kozulin translated edition, "In the child's development. . .imitation and
> instruction play a major role. . .what the child can do in cooperation
> today he can do alone tomorrow." I believe the example I provided
> yesterday would be what Vygotsky is referring to as cooperation.
> eric
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