Re: [xmca] Unbelievable

From: Martin Packer (packer@duq.edu)
Date: Thu Oct 19 2006 - 06:56:01 PDT


David,

That is indeed one way of thinking about Vygotsky's view of the influence of
culture on biology. But I was referring to phylogenesis, not ontogenesis.
This prediction for the year 3000 is undeniably rather wacky, but it does
have the merit of recognizing the impact of culture on human biological
evolution.

Martin

On 10/18/06 9:28 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:

> I am not so sure, Martin, this is a fair comparison. For Vygotskty
> the way culture shapes biology is by means of the internalization of
> tools and symbols. For this guy, what culture does is triggering
> changes in our sexual preferences and weakening our immune system.
> Very different, I guess.
>
> On Oct 18, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
>
>> But this is precisely an example of a theory in which socio-historical
>> evolution is seen as shaping biological evolution, no? As David
>> (Kellogg)
>> said a couple of days ago:
>>
>>> I think that Vygotsky's position on the connection between
>>> learning and
>>> development, and also the connection between ontogenesis and socio-
>>> historical
>>> development, and even the connection between socio-historical
>>> development and
>>> biological evolution is that all of these things are indeed
>>> linked, but
>>> nevertheless distinct. Linked but distinct.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 10/18/06 6:02 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if the guy REALLY thinks this or is just seeking publicity.
>>> I am astonished how many evolutionary theories make it to the press
>>> these days. What is making these theories so fashionable is beyond my
>>> understanding. Is like a postmodern, late capitalism state of mind
>>> Any guesses?
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:55 AM, bb wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as
>>>> predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
>>>>
>>>> Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of
>>>> Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass
>>>> to emerge. "
>>>>
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
>>>>
>>>> ---------------
>>>>
>>>> In the year 2525
>>>> If man is still alive....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: October 14, 2006 9:55:13 PM GMT-04:00
>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] interweaving
>>>>
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> David Preiss, Ph.D.
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>
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> Chile
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