Yo Andy,
I managed to link up to these sites through the hypertext I copied to my own
archives, but had problems getting through to these sites from the MIA web
page.
What's Ugh?
Thanks
Victor Friedlander-Rakocz
victor@kfar-hanassi.org.il
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 3:46
Subject: Re: [xmca] concept as gambit
>
> Ugh. Victor can you recommend:
> [1]http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/
> and for my 1997 article that you refer to:
> [2]http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/help/mean.htm
> I think [3]http://web.archive.org/web/20020125082736/ is an old
> archived version of Hegel-by-HyperText.
> Andy
> At 08:18 PM 10/11/2005 +0200, you wrote:
>
> Peter,
> First read Andy's Meaning of Hegel's Logic
> [4]http://web.archive.org/web/20020125082736/www.marxists.org/refer
> ence/archive/hegel/index.htm
> Particularly sections VI and VII where he discusses Life, cognition
> and the ideal.
> Then go to Hegel's Science of Logic and review Section III (The
> Notion), Chapter 1 (Life) sections 1645 to 1651 (sections 1652-to
> 1677 are also interesting) and Chapter 2 (Cognition) 1677 to 1684
> [5]http://web.archive.org/web/20020213010058/www.marxists.org/refer
> ence/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlidea.htm
> Lenin also has interesting and relevant things to say about Life
> and Cognition in his Annotations on Book III (The Notion) of
> Hegel's Science of Logic from Lenin's Collected Works Vol. 38 pp.
> 164 -238.
> [6]http://web.archive.org/web/20020223154955/www.marxists.org/archi
> ve/lenin/works/1914/cons-logic/ch03.htm
> To compare these to Ilyenkov's works I'd suggest looking at
> Dialectics of the Abstract & the Concrete in Marx's Capital (1960)
> Especially Chapters 2 and 3, the first 3 sections.
> [7]http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/abstract/index.ht
> m
> And his Dialectical Logic (1974) Section 2 chapters 7, 8, and
> 9.[8]http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.ht
> m
> It's also worth looking at his Concept of the Ideal (1977)
> [9]http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/ideal/ideal.htm
> from paragraphs 106 right on to the end.
> I hope this helps
> Victor Friedlander-Rakocz
> victor@kfar-hanassi.org.il
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Moxhay"
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> To: "Activity eXtended Mind Culture" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 19:25
> Subject: [xmca] concept as gambit
>
> Victor,
> You wrote:
>
> the concept, is a gambit that is in fact a subjective challenge to
> objective social practice (the idea is Hegelian though Hegel as an
> idealist had a much more restricted concept of the negating effect
> of the concept than that implicit in Marxian dialectics).
>
> I find this comment extremely clarifying (with respect to the
> ongoing discussion) and exciting. Could you perhaps provide
> references for further reading on this? In what works/sections
> would you say Hegel touches on this? Do you have any papers that
> expand on this comment?
> Also, I'm wondering whether this idea was really refused by _all_
> Soviet dialecticians...
> Peter
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> References
>
> 1. http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/
> 2. http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/help/mean.htm
> 3. http://web.archive.org/web/20020125082736/
> 4.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020125082736/www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/index.htm
> 5.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020213010058/www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlidea.htm
> 6.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020223154955/www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/cons-logic/ch03.htm
> 7. http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/abstract/index.htm
> 8. http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.htm
> 9. http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/ideal/ideal.htm
> 10. http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> 11. http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
> 12. http://ethicalpolitics.org/alexander-surmava/index.htm
> 13. http://ethicalpolitics.org/alexander-surmava/index.htm
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