Re: [xmca] FW: [ISCAR] Section Proposals

From: Armando Perez (armreyper@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Sep 06 2005 - 06:36:03 PDT


Mike:
Itīs very difficult to have a coherent position about
the temes you have posted in your e-mail. Now, working
in Brazil, Iīm engaged in a proyect which is atending
more or lest 200 huncred teachers from indinas
commnutiies.
In five years they are forming as techer of indian
schools. But the problem is that while they are in the
campus, they behave in " a civilizaised manner" and
when tehy return to its communities, they change the
manner of behaving. Why? Are they trying to preserve
its culture, Itīs the same thing for different
teachers. Activity in our way of ananlizing is viewed
as having a motive, but for those people whatīs the
real motive. They transform their verbal language and
transliterate for portugueses written letters. But the
meaning of activity for them. Itīs our theoretical
referetial enough for integrating CULTURE AND
ACTIVITY, OBJECT OF ACTIVITY, COMPREHEND THE
INTERRELATION OF SUBJETC AS AGENT AND ACTIVITY
STRUCTURE? COULD WE LEFT THE SUBJECT MOTIVE OF
INFICIVIDUAL ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE OF SOCIAL MOTIVE OF
ACTIVITIES?
When you read the work of Bozhiovich about the school
activity it taste as it were automatically incorporate
for the subjetct. Those works of Galperin, Talizina,
some ideas of Leontiev, etc. taste the same way. I,
finally, thing that our approach is the future, but we
have a lot of theoretical work to do and a a lot of
practical work to do in order to contribute a little
bit to change our world.
Armando
--- Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Sasha and Michael. My thoughts too, are turning
> to ISCAR.
> Not all of XMCA will be present. Those who will be
> might pick ohe seminar
> or paper to report back to the list on. but what are
> our questions ahead of
> time?
> The theme of the meeting is "Activity in a changing
> world: learning,
> communication,
> and intercultural activity."
> Visiting the sites suggested by Sasha seems
> worthwhile. But in addition, I
> wonder what
> those on XMCA want to learn, whether they go or not.
> This sort of meeting,
> under various
> names, has been occurring at least since 1986 and by
> some accounts before.
> Almost 20
> years during which the world has changed a lot.
> What has CH/AT accomplished? Do we know what an
> object is: A subject? The
> difference between
> an action and an activity? Do we care? Is anything
> we have to say relevant
> to the theme's of the
> conference?
> I am not sure how many of you have noticed, but if
> you go to the xmca page
> at lchc.ucsd.edu <http://lchc.ucsd.edu> you will
> find a cluster map that shows what parts of the
> world xmca messages have
> been coming from. Kind of
> interesting given ISCAR's theme. Not uniform, but
> not entirely regional or
> loca either. Almost intercultural,
> in some ways.
> It would be really interesting if every member of
> xmca sent just a brief
> note with their most burning question
> about the role of culture and activity in human
> development and its relation
> to the current human condition-- then
> we would be able to see what bits of the world had
> turn,....... red! :-)
> mike
>
> On 9/3/05, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sasha,
> > I may have missed it--is there a specific time and
> place that we meet
> > in Seville; and is there an official subscription
> etc.?
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > On 3-Sep-05, at 5:35 PM, Alexander Surmava wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > inasmuch as Sevilla's congress is approaching
> > > and its schedule will contain a meeting of
> newborn sections
> > > I decide to address to all with a little
> announcement.
> > >
> > > Dear colleges,
> > >
> > > it's a little bit late to congratulate all of us
> with the
> > > registration of
> > > our newborn "Dialectical psychology section" -
> the event took place
> > > in the
> > > last midsummer - and it's high time to begin to
> work.
> > > Soon in Seville most of us will have a
> possibility to take a closer
> > > look at
> > > each other and to discuss our plans. But it will
> be helpful to get
> > > ready to
> > > our meeting and to begin our discussion
> immediately.
> > > As it strikes me we have to discuss several
> questions:
> > > 1. Information.
> > > I mean we can inform each other about all new
> ideas, publications,
> > > seminars, online or offline discussions wherever
> they take place.
> > > For example today I know three such events:
> > > a) Mike Cole's XMCA (in case of such constantly
> functioning
> > > forums as
> > > XMCA we can point at the topics of our closer
> interest)
> > >
> http://communication.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/index.html ;
> > > b) Peters Moxhay's XBDG group discussing the
> E.V.Ilienkov's
> > > "Dialectic
> > > of abstract and concrete in Marx's "Das Kapital"
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xbdg
> > > (besides the texts you can find there some
> interesting photos
> > > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/xbdg/lst
> > > c) Offline "Moscow wide seminar on
> cultural-historical
> > > psychology". The
> > > audio records, photos and texts from seminar (in
> Russian) is
> > > available on my
> > > website
> http://www.voxnet.ru/~monada/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=6
> > > d) Hope that some of section's members can
> prolong this list.
> > > 2. Technical means of our future communication.
> > > a) We have to open a registration list to have a
> possibility for
> > > E-mailing all interesting information to
> sections members;
> > > b) We have to organize a special website with
> web conference (a
> > > listserve discussion group), useful links,
> library of classic
> > > texts, audio
> > > and video records, photos, an electronic journal
> for current
> > > publications
> > > which lately can transform into a full size
> paper journal etc.; the
> > > replenishment of our site with materials of
> common interest will be
> > > the goal
> > > of all of us.
> > > c) Temporarily (before we will organize such a
> website) I invite
> > > everybody to my website
> > >
>
http://www.voxnet.ru/~monada/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=11
> and
> > > http://www.voxnet.ru/~monada ;
> > > d) To inform all ISCAR members of section
> activity we will
> > > prepare a
> > > special part of the ISCAR Newsletter;
> > > 3. The most difficult problem is a problem of
> common language
> > > (English-Russian and Russian-English
> translation). Unfortunately
> > > among a
> > > group of Russian philosophers and psychologists
> - members of our
> > > section - I
> > > with my middling English am the best English
> speaker :-(. So if we
> > > wish to
> > > begin a real common international discussion we
> will need to solve
> > > a problem
> > > of funding of translation of our future
> conversations. Most of Russian
> > > philosophers know German, but still I think that
> working languages
> > > in our
> > > Dialectical community must be English and
> Russian.
> > > 4. Themes and order of our discussions. I do not
> want to
> > > forestall the
> > > colleges with this meaty question. Let's form
> the preliminary list of
> > > theoretic problems desirable to discuss in the
> immediate future
> > > collecting
> > > each voce.
> > > 5. The organization of summer schools for
> students and post
> > > graduates
> > > looks very useful.
> > > 6. One day we'll organize special symposia on
> the future ISCAR
> > > congresses, or organize a special section
> conferences or working
> > > meetings.
> > > 7. Finally I recommend for all participants of
> our section to
> > > pay
> > > attention to a new Newton Duarte's section
> because as far as I
> > > understand
> > > the subject of our sections is practically
> identical.
> > > If I've probably forgotten something essential
> I'll be grateful
> > > for
>
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