Thanks, Mike. Very clarifying! Too many things going on! A sign of
vitality!
David
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:05 PM
To: David Preiss
Cc: Xmca
Subject: Re: Talk of courses and discussions
DAvid-- If I understand correctly the situation is the following:
1. There is some continuing discussion about generalization and
abstraction connected
to the Jurow paper.
2. Phil and others are putting together a language and CHAT reading
list, where the papers will
be posted on XMCA papers for discussion.,
3. Steve, Peter M, Kristen C and others are proposing a reading of
Ilyenkov either here or on a
separate Yahoo group.
At present, Jurow is the focus of actual conversation. I keep wondering
about what the division of
opinion is as it relates to the ideas of Davydov and Vygotsky and hoping
for clarity, but I may not
get what I want ( no big news there!!) :-)
Next I assume we will have several papers posted as a group on papers
for discussion on xmca that are
about language, culture, and activity.
At some point we will learn what the organization of the Ilyenkov
discussion will be.
Right now I am down to the last day of the quarter, grant application
deadlines, end of research year
event, etc. I am hoping to see beyond my nose some time early next
week. Others, I gather, are in
analogous states of business.
I hope that helps. Others ammend to taste.
mike
On 6/2/05, David Preiss <davidpreiss@puc.cl> wrote:
Hi all,
I just lost track of the discussion.
How many sub-groups do we have and where things will be posted?
How could I know which paper has to do with what?
David
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:23 AM
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: Talk of courses and discussions
Phil et al--
Please identify sxtarting texts and we will make them available in a set
under the "papers
for discussion" part of the xmca web page.
I believe there is a chapter from Ochs and Schiefflin that is quite
relevant here, but look to
others for suggestions. I believe a google search of xmca will turn up
Hasan, Halliday, Bernstein,
and other relevant figures. And relevant discussion.
I think it would help, phil, if you would pull together a
"mini-curriculum" for us to use as common
tool. The object is more widely share, methinks, than you estimate.
But finding volunteers to do some
mediating may be a more difficult task.
mike
On 6/2/05, Phil Chappell <philchappell@mac.com> wrote:
On 02/06/2005, at 5:35 AM, Ana Marjanovic-Shane wrote:
> What I am interested in is developing a CHAT theory of language -- so
> all these different ways to look at it as an activity are very
> helpful.
> Ana
Dear Ana, Mike, and All,
I'm a little hesitant to go too far here, as my own previous attempts
here to sow the seeds of a group object/motive of discussing AT and a
theory of language haven't really resulted in much - I often wonder
whether any mention of systemics and Michael Halliday results in an
impulsive "hit hit the delete" response ;-) And whither Bernstein...
But Ana's interest is an interest that many here have, I feel, and it
has often been said that the xmca community lacks a fully articulated
theory of language, just as the SFL community is often derided for
lacking a fully articulate theory of human learning. I'm struggling
right now with a study from the SFL "Sydney school" in an attempt to
make explicit a pedagogical approach that foregrounds the linguistic
features that afford students access to future human activity that they
may otherwise be denied. But that is a red herring here.
Should anyone here wish to pursue the discussion of a theory of
language "for chat", I'd like to offer up the suggestion that we read
Gordon Well's paper: The complementary contributions of Halliday and
Vygotsky to a 'language-based theory of learning', and I also think
that the various ecological views of language may be worthwhile to
pursue.
So, any takers to assemble a couple of papers? I have an electronic
version of Gordon's paper that we will need to get approval to use
first.
I'll leave it there and hope there may be a couple here interested in
making a motive.......
Phil
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