I guess I share these views. I don't think even the State reaction to 9/11
would have been the same. How can so similar things be so different?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John St. Julien" <john@johnstjulien.com>
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: re internet and politics
> I am pretty sure I have heard this purity argument before. Recently.
> Where was that? When was that?....
>
> I'd bet few really believe that if Gore were president we'd be
> occupying Iraq following a war of naked aggression.
>
> Who stayed home rather than sully themselves? Who voted for the purer
choice?
>
> That could of worked out better.
>
> ---Sorry to be so far off the usual list focus and mood but .... I
> keeping on thinking history teaches. It must be the silly social
> studies teacher in me.
>
>
>
>
> >Well if your talking about Donald Rumsfield (he looks more like a
> >mouse though), I'm sure some NeoCons will join you.
> >
> >Part of me finds Dean's "message" attractive, but the problem is his
> >practice does not correlate. For example, he talks about health
> >care, but the plan is to the right of Clinton's. He is anti Iraq War
> >2, but does not support getting out. He has continually received
> >great ratings from the NRA. His views from gay rights onward take a
> >strong state rights perspective.
> >
> >As far as Political Compass, I have found it accurate after people
> >get used to the idea. I think its important that in the "anybody but
> >Bush" movement most the candidates fall into the authoritarian
> >Right quadrant.
> >
> >Judy, whoever the Dem candidate is you can be guaranteed, he will
> >move much farther to the right. I find myself wondering if Bore Gore
> >were Prez, what specifically would be different? My guess is not
> >much of substance.
> >
> >Personally, Kucinich is the only candidate that's worth the symbolic
> >act of voting. At least it could be done with a clear conscience and
> >outside the authoritarian right quadrant.
> >
> >The ISR had a very interesting article on The Other War Party, which
> >traces the history of the NeoCons from the Democratic Party onward.
> >
> >http://www.isreview.org/issues/33/dems&war.shtml
> >
> >N***
> >
> >
> >Judy Diamondstone wrote:
> >
> >>I can sympathize with those who are looking for 'the great liberal hope'
who
> >>feel disappointed with Dean, but I can't accept the relative ranking on
the
> >>"political compass' website. Dean attracted a lot of independent voters,
> >>because he came off as less ideological & more pragmatic than the
others. As
> >>for Kerry's status as 'most liberal' of the lot, here's a video I
received
> >>(from a Dean supporter):
> >>
> >>http://www.idiomstudio.com/mypov.htm
> >>
> >>I would vote for Donald Duck if he were the only one opposing george
w. -
> >>but how many others would join me?
> >>
> >>Judy
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: N*** [mailto:vygotsky who-is-at nateweb.info]
> >>>Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:49 PM
> >>>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>Subject: Re: re internet and politics
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>All he needed to do was tear off his shirt and start kicking someone in
> >>>the face.
> >>>
> >>>Funny thing is "working class" is not what comes to my mind with Dean.
> >>>Very few core supporters tend to be "working class" or minorities for
> >>>that matter.
> >>>
> >>>I find it kind of ironic that he is held out as the "great liberal
hope"
> >>>since his views are quite right of center. Political Compass
> >>>http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/usprimaries.html has
> >>> an interesting graph highlighting where the Dems are politically.
> >>>Sadly, most are bunched right near Bush.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Eugene Matusov wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Dear everybody-
> >>>>
> >>>>Dean's infamous yeargh speech after his somewhat poor
> >>>
> >>>performance in Iowa
> >>>
> >>>>reminded me wrestling. Thanks to my son, I had to watch wrestling for
> >>>>several years. Maybe because of this experience, I was not
> >>>
> >>>alienated by his
> >>>
> >>>>macho yeargh. He sounded like a wrestler, like Rick Flair (for those
who
> >>>>knows him). I wonder if people who watch wrestling have similar
> >>>
> >>>feelings...
> >>>
> >>>>Dean's yeargh, like wrestling, has gender and class flavor (back to
our
> >>>>discussion of emotions)... It is very working class male yeargh...
> >>>>
> >>>>What do you think?
> >>>>
> >>>>Eugene
> >>>>PS Several years ago my son designed a website for kids from
> >>>
> >>>Latin American
> >>>
> >>>>Center where I work. The site has been inactive for long time
> >>>
> >>>by now but you
> >>>
> >>>>may find a spirit of wrestling it captures...
> >>>>http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/kids.web/wrestling_welcome_page.htm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: Bill Barowy [mailto:wbarowy@attbi.com]
> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:46 PM
> >>>>>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> >>>>>Subject: Re: re internet and politics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Saturday 24 January 2004 9:18 pm, N*** wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>exactly like it, I think I might settle on calling it "yeargh".
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I thought it was my New England ear, but after listening carefully, I
> >>>>
> >>>>think
> >>>>
> >>>>>your spelling is better. I don't see the mp3 collection as a new
> >>>>
> >>>>phenomenon
> >>>>
> >>>>>-- creative mixes go back even further than the birth of techno, and
as
> >>>>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>hosting website proclaims, the mixes don't necessarily diss, but show
an
> >>>>>understanding of the personality as human. It's an
> >>>
> >>>enlightening website.
> >>>
> >>>>>Thanks to David!
>
>
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