Here we come back to what someone (Victor?) said about *all* members of
bourgeois society, whatever class, sharing in the first place, the same
illusions. Class consciousness and solidarity are attitudes I think which
have to be learnt through definite kinds of experience; such experiences
are not to be had in the home, generally are not conveyed in TV; perhaps
the first experiences are in gang-like interactions at school?
Andy
At 07:23 PM 30/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Andy, I think you are right on the target talking about, what Jim Gee
>calls, projective identity. The question that I have is how and why
>working class people participate in middle-class cultural model(or way of
>talking).
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>It is not the case that working class people accept any middle class
>cultural modelthat available via TV or other popular media. Although I do
>not have much data about that but I doubt that many working class people
>would buy middle class cultural model of child fostering based on
>constantly giving kids choices. So the question is why some working class
>people project themselves in self-actualizationmiddle-class cultural model
>but not in child-rearing through choice-makingmiddle-class cultural model.
>I do not think the preference of working class people in adapting
>middle-class models can be explained simply by watching TV. Any ideas?
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>What do you think?
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>Eugene
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>From: Andy Blunden [mailto:ablunden@mira.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:38 PM
>To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>Subject: RE: real and virtual worlds
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>We could put this together with Jim Gee's observations about play. People
>are growing up acting out characters that they see on TV. They believe
>that they can make their own character. But this turns out to be a
>frustrated experience; they only get to play Doug Heffernan. ... Andy
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>Claudias study shows that also working class men widely hold this
>self-actualizationcultural model they do and cannot enact it (but rather
>they act out of necessity-based being a breadwinnercultural model). Victor
>or anybody else, can you explain what makes proliferation of cultural
>modelsthat people deeply hold but cant enact, please?
>Eugene
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