Would you please, Judge, tell me what chimps is/are? Pretend play?
According to Vygotsky any play has rules, even pretend play - although rules
implicit to an imaginary situation.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Judith Diamondstone <diamonju@rci.rutgers.edu>
Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Data: Quinta-feira, 5 de Julho de 2001 21:54
Assunto: Re: levels
>Hi, Bill -- Thanks for making a connection between Mike's interest in
>Thibault & Ana's in play. Like Ana, I'm interested in play as
>proto-languaging and as proto-activity. (Chimps, of course, play, though
>not with rules, and I think they don't as easily mistake their play for
>serious business as we do.) Theories of cultural development would be
>woefully inadequate without an account of play, performance, make believe,
>at the level of culture.
>
>I loved the Thibault article; it pulled so much together for me. I regret
>that I can't write a more in-depth response at the moment.
>
>Judy
>
>/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>Ana's reference to Bateson anplay is a wonderful insight, having read
>Mike's plea for the bigger picture. "this is play" communicates to frame
>an activity
>>among participants. What this o(what we are communicating now arouind
>Thibault)
>>seems to be about is just that (that being Mike's and Ana's ideas
>combined) --
>>finding an interpretive frame for observing and thinking about human
>>interaction.
>>
>>I complained about using spatial metaphors and suffering their excess
>semiotic
>>baggage - levels implies hierarchy (especially, as B&G might argue is a
>>phenomenon of capitalist society), but then there are layers, channels and
>>dimensions, all of which can go on in parallel and mutual influence, i.e.
>>bidirectional causality.
>>
>>Mike seems to say bio-evo-psychologists are playing a bigger game, and he
>>doesn't want chat'ers excluded from it.
>>
>>How to take phylogeny into account for chat studies? Eeek! Tongue in
cheek,
>>does it not belong to the generations of researchers to follow? Is this
too
>>much to bite off?
>>
>>Although it makes sense, I am clueless.
>>
>>bb
>>
>>=====
>>"One of life's quiet excitements is to stand somewhat apart from yourself
>and watch yourself softly become the author of something beautiful."
>>[Norman Maclean in "A river runs through it."]
>>
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