Armando,
Few question.
1) How and why do you see the object being activity. I would assume the
object being psychology - the individual.
2) I don't think Vygotsky situated it as a consciousness and ? so am unclear
how it can be a consciousness and activity. I mean is it not activity where
we become individual, develop a personality, form consciousness.
3) I agree with you that Leontev does not develop these issues (this far) -
his assertion that consciousness exist or doesn't seems to imply it a
non-issue for him (Chapter 1). Vygotsky's strength though was not the "and"
but how it must be situated in what Leontev refers to as activity - don't
you think?
Nate
----Original Message-----
From: Armando Perez [mailto:armreyper@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:31 PM
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
Subject: RE: Leontiev Ch. 2 ... 3?
TIME
My fundamental disagreement with Leontiev is that he
put at the same place the object of psyhology, the
fundamental principle for analizing the object of
pscyhology and the theory of psychology. The order of
the book is in that sense. This means that ACTIVITY IS
THE OBJETC, THE PRINCIPLES OF EXPLANATION AND THE
THEORY OF PSYCHOLOGY. By no means I agree. It is not a
guide for reserrching to establish that the principle
which guide reasearch, it is at the same time THE
OBJECT OF PSYCHOLOGY and at the same time the
fundamental category in the theory. I also think that
the principles pointed out by RUBINSTEIN is much more
in line with psychology (THE UNITY OF CONCIOUSNESS AND
ACTIVITY)or by VYGOTSKY (THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CHILD
IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF HIS PERSONALITY). They are much
more heuristic for constructing a new psychology. I
think that it is impossible to be in line with
Vygotsky (who speaks about intersubctivity) and at the
same time with Leontiev (who puts material or
edxternal activity as a starting point and them moves
to internal or subjective activity as a process of
interiorization of external activity). I remember that
Engels and Marx always told about the unity af work
and language. "Work and beside work language......"
For personality, and in my opinion this is the central
category of psychology, the construction of senses,
personal senses it is the most important think
(values, ideals, proyects,.....) and they do not come
for external or material activity but for
intersubjectivity. It is very very difficult to
explain personality (or agency)from activvity. Maybe
we can use social or material activity from historical
research and communication for ontogenetical research
(developmental research) and personality for
researching the role of subject in transforming his
social mileu. Excuse me for using your mail for
putting some aideas. Armando
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