Diane asks:


>so, while i agree with you in terms of the how these are political

>activities (freedom-internalization-consciousness) in ways that make
them

>kinda silly, like fictive idealisms, 

>the idea of freedom and responsibility, and accountability, - 
something

>alfred also mentioned - suggest kinds of activity that respond to

>politics, rather than being manifestations of politics. 

>does that make sense?


sure does. It seems that most postings converge on this point: that
freedom (responsibility/accountability) isn't only an ideological effect
but is integral (choice is integral) to symbol-using, and as symbol-users
we'd do well to take responsibility for it, as Alfred said, so nicely --
we should hold ourselves accountable:

>>>>

<excerpt>>>>>

insofar as action that could have been known or reasonably suspected at
the time of acting was instrumental in bringing about disaster or
humanity. 

</excerpt><<<<<<<<


The INSOFAR is the bug, I'm afraid -- ours is not the freedom of the
gods. It's so contingent on our capacity SEE ahead, see the effects yet
to come -- wh. seems to me largely the capacity to listen to perspectives
other than our own. The 'freedom' of the sociohistorically postioned --
it's blind otherwise. like we're destined to repeat to repeat ourselves,
otherwise...  >>>>


Playing Pollyanna (apply sing-song intonation)


Nate, thanks for those anecdotes! wonderful. 

Judy