Re(2): Dialectical bagels

From: Diane Hodges (dhodges@ceo.cudenver.edu)
Date: Fri Jun 23 2000 - 12:41:50 PDT


"The center is, paradoxically, within the structure and outside it. The
centre is at the centre of the totality, and yet, since the centre does
not belong to the totality, (is not part of the totality), the totality
has its centre elsewhere."
[Jacques Derrida, "Writing and difference"]

so, if the bagel has no totality, nor centre, it surely has no hole.
and still, Dunkin' Donuts can sell the bagel holes by the dozen, which
means materialism overrides idealism through consumerism. tsk.
whither the dialectic now?
diane

>Michael on the subject of the hole in the bagel, writes:

>Bruce,
>As Sartre wrote in his Being AND Nothingness, "Nothingness is at the heart
>of being" Thus, the very essence of the bagel is the hole. Without the
>hole,
>the whole does not exist!
>
>Michael E.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bruce Robinson <bruce.rob@btinternet.com>
>To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:25 AM
>Subject: Dialectical bagels
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2000 5:17 PM, Diane Hodges
>> [SMTP:dhodges@ceo.cudenver.edu] wrote:
>> > well, i tried to think of an "object" for Hegel
>> > but all I could think of was poppyseed bagels,
>> > so I ate 'em.
>> >
>> > used the crumbs with some "dough" and made the "upper crust" look real
>> > good.
>> > > long live chaos and the surreal.
>> > diane
>>
>> This is not as surreal as it appears - bagels are profoundly
>dialectical.
>> Bill Livant uses Hegel's bagels as a theme for one of his humourous
>> articles designed to introduce his students to dialectics. It is
>entitled
>> 'The hole in Hegel's bagel'. It starts:
>>
>> 1. Hegel's great insight is that the truth is the whole.
>> 2. What about the hole? Is the hole part of the whole?
>> 3. On first sight, it appears that it isn't, that in the hole there is
>> nothing. But this is deceptive.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> 8. How does one get to the hole in the center of the bagel? Only be
>eating
>> your way through, by moving. But if your mind can't walk, can't move, yu
>> can't get there. And if you can't get there, there seems to be nothing
>> there. Appearances seem to be all there is.
>>
>> 9. Only by analyzing - getting into and going beyond - appearances can
>we
>> arrive at the essence of anything.
>>
>> 10. In sum, the whole without a hole is really a part in drag trying to
>> pass itself off as everything, which, come to think of it, isn't a bad
>> definition of ideology.
>>
>>
>> I've been meaning to get into this whole discussion, but haven't had
>time.
>> Hope to wing a fifteen-part commentary on everything your way soon ;-).
>>
>> Bruce Robinson
>>
>> >
>**********************************************************************
>> > :point where everything
>listens.
>> > and i slow down, learning how to
>> > enter - implicate and unspoken (still) heart-of-the-world.
>> >
>> > (Daphne Marlatt, "Coming to you")
>> >
>***********************************************************************
>> >
>> > diane celia hodges
>> >
>> > university of british columbia, centre for the study of curriculum
>and
>> > instruction
>> > ==================== ==================== =======================
>> > university of colorado, denver, school of education
>> >
>> > Diane_Hodges@ceo.cudenver.edu
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

   **********************************************************************
                                        :point where everything listens.
and i slow down, learning how to
enter - implicate and unspoken (still) heart-of-the-world.

(Daphne Marlatt, "Coming to you")
***********************************************************************

diane celia hodges

 university of british columbia, centre for the study of curriculum and
instruction
==================== ==================== =======================
 university of colorado, denver, school of education

Diane_Hodges@ceo.cudenver.edu



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