Ricardo.
nate wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricardo Ottoni <rjapias who-is-at ibm.net>
> To: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 12:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Constructivism and Vygotsky
>
> >> Valsiner's notion proposal of "co-constructivism" (the
> building of
> >> knowledge with the others, with someone's else perspective
> help)
> >> sounds very different from "constructivism" (something
> related to one
> >> oneself) to me and other fellows here, as we understand it.
> >> Am I wrong or equivocated,as to say, mistaken?
>
> At one level constructivism would always need to be a
> co-constructivism. I am very leary of a constructivism that is
> viewed solely as something related to oneself. I personally
> like the term dialectical constructivism which for me implies a
> continual restructuring and tranformation of both the individual
> and the social. Valsiner in my opinion puts Vygotsky in the
> "traditional camp" to a much larger degree that he actually was.
>
> >> About Vygotsky's ZPD, I prefer understand it beyond a more
> precise
> >> mesurement of QI as was said by Nate. Phd Elvira Lima in her
> article
> >> 'Vygotsky's ideas in Brazil' explains that the european and
> latin-american
> >> translations of Vygotsky's texts rises to undestand it as
> that "SOCIAL AREA
> >> OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT" rather than as a "ZONE OF PROXIMAL
> DEVELOPMENT"
> >> in the sense of mesurement of QI or something that can be
> maneged like
> >> numbers.
> >>
> >> In which book D.B.Elkonin use the expression "eternal child"?
> I only
> >> read his 'Psychology of Play' and do not remeber to have read
> that
> >> expression there.
>
> It is an chapter in an upcoming book in which a version is on my
> website
>
> http://www.geocities.com/~nschmolze/elkonin.2.html
>
> The reference was to Piaget and the universal way in which he
> described the child developing.
>
> Nate
>
> >>
> >> Vygotsky makes a distiction between words meanings and
> >> words sense. Is it possible to put in jail a word meaning or
> sense?
> >> > What do you think?"
> >> >
> >