Re: All the way with Piaget
Dewey Dykstra, Jr. (dykstrad who-is-at bsumail.idbsu.edu)
Sat, 2 May 1998 13:37:42 -0600
Bill Barowy sez:
>Folks,
>
>Kwang, Jeong, Maria, Eugene, Robert, Ilias, Francoise, Nate, and
>proactively Mike and Jim, have contributed considerable clarity into the
>murky waters surrounding the social side of Piaget. Piaget recognized
>social influences on individual meaning making, but does not consider
>meaning making as 'out there' or even still as 'in there AND out there'.
>He did not like to study adults interacting with children because the
>authority dimensions clouded the cognitive dimensions, in his view. He
>never seems to have caught Jay's language disease, does not think of
>mediation, enculturation, appropration, or systems. Dwells instead on
>accomodation and assimilation.
>
>So what?
>
>Someone, I hope, will tell me that the following claim has already been
>made. That although Piaget's focus on the individual "makes it impossible
>to develop a sociocultural approach to cognition using his theory as the
>basis", a *complete* sociocultural theory [with a nod to Albert] will
>include a Piagetian-like description of meaning-making in the individual.
>Insofar as 'sociocultural' theories [or perhaps better put
>'cultural-historical theories'] will address phylogenesis, mesogenesis, and
>artifactogenesis etc., these theories would not be comprehensive if they
>did not also include ontogenesis.
and more...
I couldn't agree more.
Dewey
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are not, however it may seem, uniquely determined by the external
world."--A. Einstein in The Evolution of Physics with L. Infeld,
1938.
"Every [person's] world picture is and always remains a construct
of [their] mind and cannot be proved to have any other existence."
--E. Schrodinger in Mind and Matter, 1958.
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