[1]RE>Ideal and Personal Se

Geoffrey Williams (geoffrey.williams who-is-at english.su.edu.au)
29 Jul 1996 15:46:54 +1000

[1]RE>Ideal and Personal Sense 29/7/96

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Date: 8/6/96 11:27 AM
To: Geoffrey Williams
From: xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu
Michael, a while ago you linked Vygotsky's "sense" with Bakhtin's
"theme" and now you link Leontiev's "sense" with Ilyenkov's "ideal" -
Can you elaborate more on your sense of "sense"?

I think of "sense" and "theme" as at opposite ends of a continuum:
"sense" a more or less undifferentiated soup of associations,
values, impressions specific to an individual social history,
and "theme" a qualifiable set of meanings, specifiable and sharable.
- as B. said, thematizing gives stability to meanings
(which otherwise mean nothing); In contrast, sensemaking is
stabilized by meanings (there would be no meaning without sensemaking
either, I suppose) hmmmm

I think I's "ideal" is NOT specific to an individual social history....

I'm keenly aware, as I am doing my CHAT & other homework,
practicing my scales, that I have not been trained in a theoretical
discipline.

- Judy

Judy Diamondstone
Graduate School of Education
Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey
10 Seminary Place
New Brunswick, NJ 08903
diamonju who-is-at rci.rutgers.edu

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