Re: Contingent structure

Judy Diamondstone (diamonju who-is-at rci.rutgers.edu)
Wed, 13 Mar 1996 22:04:18 -0500

THANKS to Stanton for the clarification, although this "pre-semiotic"
stuff - well... It resists semiosis.

Stanton wrote

>.... I think it would be
>inappropriate to restrict "meaning" to only conscious things.
>Participants in activities often orient to (what I would call) meaningful
>aspects without being aware of what they are doing....
>... Semiotics also
>involves indexical and iconic signalling, and it seems to me that these
>are the right sorts of tools to study Jay's "pre-semiotic" level.

It seems intuitively obvious that certain non-conscious events
are indexicalized already in our practices (events in which
culture is implicated though not yet recognized as such).
But how can we say that off-pitch & out-of-phase "acoustical
discrepancies" in a piece of music are indexicalized or
iconically _signaled_?

And yet, if the "infra-semiotic subtleties" are

>critical to the acquisition of both performance and 'receptive'
>habitus, and thus to the otherwise 'ineffable' qualities that
>define someone as a member of a community through their way of
>participating in particular activities (unconscious style,
>body hexis, etc.)" (from Jay's message)

then they are differences that DO make a difference.... They are
already implicated in what is meaningful to us.

Meaning sort of fizzles when I try to imagine differences that
don't make a difference but do,
although I assume there are differences that don't
make a difference but that might.

That's all the meaning I can muster.
- Judy

P.S., with all due respect to the arguments associated with Bakhtin,
I feel obliged to point out that the quote Stanton attributed to
me was authored by Jay.
Judy Diamondstone
diamonju who-is-at rci.rutgers.edu
Rutgers University

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