[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: [New post] Why generations?

Wed Nov 25 08:17:57 PST 2020

Hi all,

As we all know, XMCA is a forum that does not have a good track record of
generating positive outcomes from several key types of disagreement -- this
seems to maybe be one of these types.  I am, therefore, disinclined to add
my voice right here and now.  However, I happened to read this chain and
feel compelled to add that I do not think there was a translation
misunderstanding, the start of this exchange is between two native English
speakers, and I think that the critiques and Andy's response are both
steps forward for us all -- no price is small if someone someone could be
hurt or many could feel silenced, or the precious space of this special
class could be unintentionally undermined, and also, we do not want to end
up on the same page but rather to stay on many pages, maybe one book?
bookshelf? ... which Arturto's comment and Andy's response could allow!

Respectfully and lovingly,
Beth

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:37 PM Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You should not be upset, Andy, as there was nothing negative in the way
> you introduced that video.
>
> Sometimes, in cross-cultural settings, a phrase or two can translate in
> unexpected ways.  But that's a small price to pay, compared to the much
> larger benefits of an international community.
>
> Happily, everyone is back on the same page now.  So keep your head high.
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:11 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:
>
>> I never intended my message to frame Anna's question as "adversarial." Of
>> course it was genuine! It is also true that many people have been wanting
>> an answer to this question and I meant to applaud Anna for posing the
>> question to Yjro. As it happens Yrjo gave an excellent answer to the
>> question. He both explained how it has led to unfortunate misunderstandings
>> of which he was well aware, and the original, perfectly good meaning that
>> the term has.
>>
>> Obviously I am upset that what I intended as praise for Anna's action has
>> been construed in this way. One lives, one learns. I am sorry. I hope now
>> that xmca-ers who are interested in Yrjo's work will have a look at the
>> video and maybe make a comment on it, and we will all have learnt.
>>
>> andy
>> ------------------------------
>> *Andy Blunden*
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>> On 25/11/2020 4:06 am, ARTURO CORTEZ wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Andy.
>>
>> Thanks for bringing this video to the attention of xmca. As a co-designer
>> and participant in the course, I would frame this differently. Anna asked a
>> genuine question that she (and others) had and was eager to learn more
>> about 4th Gen from an expert, Dr. Engeström, who was very responsive. The
>> class was a very generative space and I don’t recall an adversarial or
>> confrontational instance (and I’ve analyzed the videos) during Yrjo’s talk
>> or others. As someone who was there, I thought it was important to share
>> this context.
>>
>> Best,
>> Arturo
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:26 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:
>>
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>>> Andy
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Beth Ferholt (pronouns: she/her/hers)
Associate Professor
Department of Early Childhood and Art Education
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