[Xmca-l] Re: Request for help

[Goncu, Artin]

Thank you, Mike, for sharing this.

Artin Goncu, Ph.D
Professor, Emeritus
University of Illinois at Chicago
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From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Request for help

Here  is a piece I wrote on the difficulties of translation, Michael.  It addresses the translations problems related to obuchenie
which relate to those of ZBR (which, being a representation of the Russian original, allows non-Russian reader to use their
own, previously-structured, interpretations. (B has become a cottage industry and R is contested as progress).

Nick elsewhere has addressed the difficulty around the social and individual "planes/levels" putting the Russian term in a
dramaturgical context, which I think is a great interpretation.

And then we have perezhivanie where the polysemy in Russian spills over into hyper polysemy.

Tough task to sort all that out.

mike






On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:28 PM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu<mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>> wrote:
Actually I did get the attachment.

Thanks again.

Michael

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Michael--

"расстояние между уровнем его актуального развития, определяемым с помощью задач, решаемых самостоятельно, и уровнем возможного развития, определяемым с помощью задач, решаемых под руководством взрослых и в сотрудничестве с более умными сотоварищами"

Take a look at the attached, by my dear colleague Nikolai....

David Kellogg
Sangmyung University

New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual and a manifesto.
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New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology"
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:47 AM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu<mailto:glassman.13@osu.edu>> wrote:
Hello,

I wonder if somebody could help me. Where could I find the famous passage,

“the distance between the actualdevelopmental level as determined by independent problem solving and the level of potentialdevelopment as determined through problem solving under adult guidance or in collaboration withmore capable peers”

in the original Russian?

Thanks for any help anybody might be able to offer.

Michael


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