[Xmca-l] Re: Jules Payot - The Education of the Will

[Ulvi İçil]

Thank you David.

I went through some parts of the work during the day... there is  something
irritaring in both its content and form...
It is not, I would say, humanistic but rather it aims at creating men who
are needed for the imperialism age of capitalism... kinds of robots...
cold... managers I would say..." workolics" corporate men...
Glorification of work and aims is quite egoistic, individualistic, contrary
to communism.





6 Haz 2020 Cmt 00:58 tarihinde David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> şunu
yazdı:

> Ulvi--
>
> I think Vygotsky is indirectly referring to "education of the will" at the
> end of Chapter 12 of the History of the Development of Higher Mental
> Functions (Self-Control). He lays out a position which is diametrically
> opposite to that of Payot (who is a Cartesian). That position is based on
> Spinoza (and of course Engels) and "recognition of necessity". It is a view
> that Thomas Sowell would certainly call "constrained"--free will is the
> recognition of necessity.
>
> I agree with you on Payot's relation to Marxism. He was a Savoyard, and
> the Savoie isn't exactly French or German, so his pacifism was highly
> conditional and certainly didn't apply to "lesser breeds without the law".
> The French had a different model of colonization from the British--the
> Brits liked to suborn the local bourgeoisie and cream off profits (India,
> Nigeria, Palestine, Iran, Turkey...). The French preferred to kill
> everybody and then deport their unwanted population (Algeria, Indochina,
> Nouvelle Caledonie, Haiti). But of course the Brits could use the French
> strategy (America and Australia) and the French sometimes used the British
> one (West Africa) In the end, they were both guided by the same  material
> conditions on the ground: Is there a local bourgeoisie to coopt? Are there
> too many workers and peasants to murder?
>
> What Payot writes is very much in the French tradition of "merciless
> rationalism"--"the Mediterranean flows through France", etc. I also think
> that his obsession with "education of the will" reflects a contemporary
> centrepiece of moral education that we don't really think of these
> days...preventing masturbation!
>
> I had a student who taught in a Waldorf academy for a number of years. The
> Waldorfers are big on Payot.
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
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> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:17 PM Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I simply noticed that he has colonialist tendencies about redskins
>> preferring extermination to "regular labour" he says.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5 Haz 2020 Cum 13:54 tarihinde Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> şunu
>> yazdı:
>>
>>>
>>> Can I ask some short comments on this book please?
>>>
>>> Is this one of the best in the field? Any other and better?
>>>
>>> Is there a comment of Vygotsky on this book?
>>>
>>> Any critique from a Marxist dialectical perspective? How distanced was
>>> Payot to Marxism?
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the education of the will is quite actual in the
>>> education of today's youth at this stage of capitalism/imperialism.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ulvi
>>>
>>
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