[Xmca-l] Re: "15 La era está pariendo un corazón - Omara portuondo y Martín Rojas"

Wed Jun 3 09:16:22 PDT 2020

Here it is:
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 17:15, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're arguments here are about the misapplication of idealist support,
> then this interview with Thomas Sowell may be of interest. Some of his
> arguments are akin to those of Ivan Illich.
> Best,
> Huw
>
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 13:31, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Haydi,
>> Thank you for the MLKJr reference. In the article that Anthony sent me
>> the protestors are construed as young, white, sons and daughters of
>> affluent parents engaged in improv theater. It’s theater on a world stage.
>> Or maybe on stages throughout the world, playing to a world audience. I
>> think the author of the article has made too much of the privileged
>> position of the protestors. But it is symbolic and cathartic. This
>> certainly resonates with Vygotsky’s interest in theater. Stanislavsky would
>> be a touchstone for the perizhvanie being played out now. Others on the
>> list might have other dramatic theorists in mind.
>> Henry
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:43 AM, Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>> riot is the language of the unheard”
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>> by David F. Ruccio
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>>
>> More than 50 years ago (on 14 April 1967), Martin Luther King Jr.
>> delivered one of his famous speeches, on "The Other America," at Stanford
>> University.* King patiently explained to the audience of students and
>> faculty members that, while in his view "riots are socially destructive and
>> self-defeating," they are "in the final analysis. . .the language of the
>> unheard."
>>
>> Today, as protestors take to the streets across America, in response to
>> the recent murders of George Floyd
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/george-floyd-investigation.html__;!!Mih3wA!TJEloCPS7Y1yF6vdXth_nMq1HVPLHCGkooWjK6YZsQeNENZGkCtdUYj5AhOBYaPZNVVrtA$>
>> , Ahmaud Arbery
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-georgia.html__;!!Mih3wA!TJEloCPS7Y1yF6vdXth_nMq1HVPLHCGkooWjK6YZsQeNENZGkCtdUYj5AhOBYaN2WeuMSQ$>
>> , and Breonna Taylor
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html__;!!Mih3wA!TJEloCPS7Y1yF6vdXth_nMq1HVPLHCGkooWjK6YZsQeNENZGkCtdUYj5AhOBYaN6rWVgFw$>,
>> King's words speak louder than ever. America, he warned, "has failed to
>> hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met" and that
>> "large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and
>> the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity."
>>
>> The question is, what if anything has changed over the past half century?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:09 AM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anthony,
>>> I finally got a chance to read the article. I t confirms my sense that
>>> the breaking windows on Central for about 6 blocks in Albuquerque does
>>> Black people no good and strengthens Trump,
>>>
>>> But I have concerns about the article as a description of what happened
>>> here. I wonder just what percentage of the young white people that did it
>>> are from really affluent families? The article implies that that it’s all
>>> of them. I don’t think so. Maybe it’s because this is New Mexico and we are
>>> typically at the bottom of every ranking on income, education and child
>>> welfare. Nor do I think that most of them have great prospects financially.
>>> Also, many could be young people of color since there are not many Black
>>> people in New Mexico, but a lot of Hispanics and Native Americans. Behind a
>>> mask, how would you know who’s white and who not? Now a countervailing
>>> narrative is that 1) right wingers from outside are the violent ones and 2)
>>> bricks are being made available in large amounts by outsiders, right wing,
>>> instigators. The violence (to property) happened after peaceful protests in
>>> Albuquerque . And one more thing about the scale of the property damage.
>>> Here it was minor…so far. Stores will be back in business pretty soon, with
>>> particle board in place, as if preparing for a hurricane. Windows aren’t
>>> cheap, but insurance will take care of that. Finally, the violence has been
>>> to property and no one has been injured on either side as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Henry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Anthony Barra <anthonymbarra@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello again, Henry.
>>>
>>> Your "Kimo" post is interesting in a number of ways, thanks.
>>>
>>> Shortly after reading it, I stumbled across this sociohistorical piece
>>> via Twitter -- and it reads as if it originated in a more right-leaning
>>> xmca type community:
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/hub-city-riot-ninjas__;!!Mih3wA!X483Krm8h3PCtrcAFm8oJkwpNRSmdjdbO8jlonrRbWDciHO62kRFSH8zqjTm19dtzS7_NA$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/hub-city-riot-ninjas__;!!Mih3wA!SQ01TbPk4LQUbmiH5pCKDGArwbFGjmuMZhcCU6Ijfz5eOIhxLn-keX0YyFXoduFm4BhiAQ$> (*By
>>> the way, does anybody know if such a listserv exists? I.e., a more
>>> right-tilted "forum for a community of interdisciplinary scholars who
>>> share an interest in the study of human mind in its cultural and historical
>>> contexts"?  That would be really interesting to check out, though I get the
>>> sense that XMCA is truly a one-of-kind, global locale.
>>>
>>> Nonetheless Henry, a number of passages, regardless of their accuracy,
>>> efficacy, or purity, brought your "Kimo" post to mind, including this one:
>>> "While the initial occasion of a protest may be the death of a member of
>>> a minority group in police custody, affluent young white leftists are more
>>> interested in symbolic violence against capitalism or patriarchy or
>>> whatever.
>>> These children of the economic elite end up harming those on whose
>>> behalf they pretend to be speaking."
>>>
>>> Thanks again for the cool poem.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:56 PM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mi Gente,
>>>> I was watching a terribly down, but beautiful, movie that was just
>>>> released on Netflix, Ya No Estoy, about Ulíses, a 17 year-old living in a
>>>> gang-dominated barrio in Monterrey, a totally cool kid, devoted to hip hop
>>>> in the streets to the music of the Cumbia. He has to escape to NYC to keep
>>>> from being killed. Ulises finds more violence and less understanding there
>>>> and returns to Monterrey to his certain death. As I am watching the film, I
>>>> hear in the next room my wife crying out in distress. I ask her why and she
>>>> tells me that the Kimo, a beautiful art deco performance space in downtown
>>>> Albuquerque (I live in the North Valley), has been burned:
>>>>  https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiMo_Theater__;!!Mih3wA!X483Krm8h3PCtrcAFm8oJkwpNRSmdjdbO8jlonrRbWDciHO62kRFSH8zqjTm19fJHTMl6w$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiMo_Theater__;!!Mih3wA!TMsTYBOglSLvWI4GpFSQfkVB9bQ2s5OoV_9pHiDkWrizHd9H2AheS8_iopyTfgXIw04bPQ$>
>>>> Then I see one of the most uplifting movies I have ever seen called
>>>> Quincy, about Quincy Jones, who produced music with Frank Sinatra to
>>>> Michael Jackson, as well as the We Are The World concert.
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Jones__;!!Mih3wA!X483Krm8h3PCtrcAFm8oJkwpNRSmdjdbO8jlonrRbWDciHO62kRFSH8zqjTm19fY5ICHjQ$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Jones__;!!Mih3wA!TMsTYBOglSLvWI4GpFSQfkVB9bQ2s5OoV_9pHiDkWrizHd9H2AheS8_iopyTfgVDcgQrhw$>
>>>> This morning I bicycled south to see the damage to the Kimo. I was
>>>> relieved to see that the damage was only broken windows. But I was
>>>> saddened, disappointed and alarmed that such things are done in reaction to
>>>> the death of George Floyd. To deface or destroy something beautiful in the
>>>> name of justice makes no sense to me. And it plays into Trump’s hands. But
>>>> to embellish the story from broken windows to a fire that might even have
>>>> threatened the structural integrity of the Kimo, that is what an echo
>>>> chamber does.
>>>> We have to do better, folks. Maybe we should be dancing in the streets
>>>> and joyfully, if tearfully, to honor Mr. George’s death. Quincy knew what
>>>> he was doing. So did Ulíses.
>>>> Henry
>>>> P.S. So did Bill Withers:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkaexjc-1os__;!!Mih3wA!X483Krm8h3PCtrcAFm8oJkwpNRSmdjdbO8jlonrRbWDciHO62kRFSH8zqjTm19csJG8AYA$ 
>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkaexjc-1os__;!!Mih3wA!TMsTYBOglSLvWI4GpFSQfkVB9bQ2s5OoV_9pHiDkWrizHd9H2AheS8_iopyTfgVeqYzrCA$>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2020, at 12:08 AM, Bill Kerr <billkerr@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I ran the lyrics past a Spanish speaking friend and this is what she
>>>> came up with:
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, I love Silvio Rodriquez, but he is incredibly difficult to
>>>> translate as his songs are definitely poetry too. Also, my Spanish is
>>>> pretty rusty.
>>>>
>>>> I read a few different people’s discussion of the song’s meaning,
>>>> written in Spanish. I couldn’t really find any translation that made sense.
>>>> They are all too literal.
>>>>
>>>> This is what I have come up with.
>>>>
>>>> The song poses the question of how we can live and enjoy our lives when
>>>> there is so much suffering in the world. The answer is in solidarity.
>>>>
>>>> La era está pariendo un corazón
>>>> No puede más, se muere de dolor
>>>> Y hay que acudir corriendo
>>>> Pues se cae el porvenir
>>>> En cualquier selva del mundo
>>>> En cualquier call
>>>>
>>>> This era is growing a heart (as in a collective heart/spirit)
>>>> The burden is too much, it will die of pain.
>>>> We need to hurry to help
>>>> Because the future is breaking in every part of the world
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:04 AM HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ulvi,
>>>>> I know this version. I am pretty sure I first heard a different
>>>>> version long ago.
>>>>> I realize that I mistranslated the “La Era Está Pariendo Un Corazón”.
>>>>> It should be “An era is giving birth to a heart” But then, “No puede
>>>>> más, se muere de dolor”, must mean that the era itself is experiencing the
>>>>> pain as it gives birth to the heart.
>>>>> Henry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/qTJzYtd1l7M__;!!Mih3wA!X483Krm8h3PCtrcAFm8oJkwpNRSmdjdbO8jlonrRbWDciHO62kRFSH8zqjTm19eDjNw2Yw$ 
>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/qTJzYtd1l7M__;!!Mih3wA!WIW89lahdAHo8g-kQ9_bgc1f2np__40pidl0CNpTdFrwPXIc8x5ToKRE3EX78uxZGs14Hw$>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think best interpretation of this song.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ulvi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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