[Xmca-l] Re: The vibrations of consciousness

[mike cole]

Annalisa -

I am sure there are more ways that LSV thought of consciousness,  but a la
marx,  I believe its "human being's relationship to
the environment"..... the rest of nature. Plenty of room for vibrations in
that formulation.
mike


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM Annalisa Aguilar <annalisa@unm.edu> wrote:

> Hello Xmcars,
>
> I'm not sure what the connection is but it seems there is one between
> consciousness and art-making with AI, and 3D printers.
>
> This article (2018) about consciousness is from The Conversation. Perhaps
> you might also like to read it:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://theconversation.com/could-consciousness-all-come-down-to-the-way-things-vibrate-103070__;!!Mih3wA!QKYWsd2osOCt7VWAmlDhv9LZLVufjS0x09zcmmUeIudHX_TAW1dvHFbFUNJETZpS3om_Pg$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://theconversation.com/could-consciousness-all-come-down-to-the-way-things-vibrate-103070__;!!Mih3wA!TZlto8nrkoF8DlozCb-AGO-XOQFqazTIeHOkpr51jiE65n6raRLlJgEMCUwsPhiNZIn0wA$>
>
> and a more recent one from last year by the same author is here:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://theconversation.com/how-can-you-tell-if-another-person-animal-or-thing-is-conscious-try-these-3-tests-115835__;!!Mih3wA!QKYWsd2osOCt7VWAmlDhv9LZLVufjS0x09zcmmUeIudHX_TAW1dvHFbFUNJETZovMxrPNg$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://theconversation.com/how-can-you-tell-if-another-person-animal-or-thing-is-conscious-try-these-3-tests-115835__;!!Mih3wA!TZlto8nrkoF8DlozCb-AGO-XOQFqazTIeHOkpr51jiE65n6raRLlJgEMCUwsPhjcpwvgAw$>
>
> I'm curious how Vygotsky defined consciousness? I'm not recollecting it at
> the moment. Maybe Andy could explain?
>
> On a different related topic I stumbled on these articles on AI created
> artwork:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://theconversation.com/when-the-line-between-machine-and-artist-becomes-blurred-103149__;!!Mih3wA!QKYWsd2osOCt7VWAmlDhv9LZLVufjS0x09zcmmUeIudHX_TAW1dvHFbFUNJETZr_amUasg$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://theconversation.com/when-the-line-between-machine-and-artist-becomes-blurred-103149__;!!Mih3wA!TZlto8nrkoF8DlozCb-AGO-XOQFqazTIeHOkpr51jiE65n6raRLlJgEMCUwsPhjzG5V5uQ$>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/arts/design/ai-art-sold-christies.html__;!!Mih3wA!QKYWsd2osOCt7VWAmlDhv9LZLVufjS0x09zcmmUeIudHX_TAW1dvHFbFUNJETZq15VWA0g$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/arts/design/ai-art-sold-christies.html__;!!Mih3wA!TZlto8nrkoF8DlozCb-AGO-XOQFqazTIeHOkpr51jiE65n6raRLlJgEMCUwsPhgx_FIiKg$>
>
> What happens to labor as defined by Marx when the computer or the robot
> end up overriding human craft and labor? Is it a development in which value
> shifts? or is it the equation that determines value remains the same with
> different exponentially-numbered inputs that provides a different salient
> output?
>
> AI seems to be a kind of mirror-neuron wind up toy, if only because the
> inputs are required first in order to come up with simulacra outputs to
> then be considered art (by Christie's, no less).
>
> This made me consider 3-D printers as well. If someone can take a car
> part, scan it, and re-print the part for pennies, I'd guess that auto
> manufacturing is about to explode from this technological change.
>
> I'm wondering what Walter Benjamin would think about AI created
> portraiture (I'm thinking specifically about his wonderful essay on art
> here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://web.mit.edu/allanmc/www/benjamin.pdf__;!!Mih3wA!QKYWsd2osOCt7VWAmlDhv9LZLVufjS0x09zcmmUeIudHX_TAW1dvHFbFUNJETZpuONeHMA$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://web.mit.edu/allanmc/www/benjamin.pdf__;!!Mih3wA!TZlto8nrkoF8DlozCb-AGO-XOQFqazTIeHOkpr51jiE65n6raRLlJgEMCUwsPhi28s3Zbg$>
> ), but what about reproduction of the reproduction of car parts? I pause as
> I consider the future of manufacturing parts that used to require large
> iron forges, machinery, welding, engineering, etc.
>
> If there are printing communities that spring up to print parts (and there
> are) and they could conceivably create a car not much above the value of
> the steel materials, what happens to General Motors? Will it suffer the
> same demise as Kodak?
>
> I noticed that HP is coming out with industrial printers that seem to
> indicate the arrival of this sort of change:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www8.hp.com/us/en/printers/3d-printers/products/multi-jet-fusion-5200.html__;!!Mih3wA!QKYWsd2osOCt7VWAmlDhv9LZLVufjS0x09zcmmUeIudHX_TAW1dvHFbFUNJETZoLfIolVw$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www8.hp.com/us/en/printers/3d-printers/products/multi-jet-fusion-5200.html__;!!Mih3wA!TZlto8nrkoF8DlozCb-AGO-XOQFqazTIeHOkpr51jiE65n6raRLlJgEMCUwsPhhTORRgXA$>
>
> There have been online communities that show how to make one's own 3-D
> printer. So I wonder how this innovation will become absorbed into
> manufacturing?
>
> Remember the desktop publishing revolution?
>
> This quote by Paul Valéry opens Benjamin's essay and reflects relevance
> to my questions:
>
> “Our fine arts were developed, their types and uses were established, in
> times very different from the present, by men whose power of action upon
> things was insignificant in comparison with ours. But the amazing growth
> of our techniques, the adaptability and precision they have attained, the
> ideas and habits they are creating, make it a certainty that profound
> changes are impending in the ancient craft of the Beautiful. In all the arts
> there is a physical component which can no longer be considered or
> treated as it used to be, which cannot remain unaffected by our modern
> knowledge and power. For the last twenty years neither matter nor space
> nor time has been what it was from time immemorial. We must expect great
> innovations to transform the entire technique of the arts, thereby
> affecting artistic invention itself and perhaps even bringing about an
> amazing change in our very notion of art.”*
>
>
> Paul Valéry, PIÈCES SUR L’ART
> “Le Conquete de l’ubiquité,” Paris.
>
>
> I look forward to hearing the sparkling conversations these articles might
> inspire.
>
> Do tell.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Annalisa
>
>
>

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