[Xmca-l] Re: Philosophie des Geistes?

Thu Jul 23 09:58:55 PDT 2020

how does the term, emotion, differ from the term, affect, in your
interpretation, Andy?
I am trying to get a stable understanding  that links Spinoza's ideas to
Vygotsky's regarding
"the unity of concept and affect/emotion".
mike

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:19 AM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:

> No, don't turn it around. The point is that organs are subordinate parts
> of the whole organism. The emotion *is* the state of a whole organism, in
> particular, a mental state. Like a hand expresses a feeling when we wave to
> someone.
>
> andy
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> On 23/07/2020 8:55 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>
> Thanks, Andy--this is it!
>
> "In physiology the viscera and the organs are treated merely as parts
> subservient to the animal organism; but they form at the same time a
> physical system for the expression of mental states, and in this way they
> get quite another interpretation."
>
> The only problem is the word "expression". In the James-Lange theory, the
> mental states are the expression of the viscera and the organs. But perhaps
> that's what Hegel really means here: the viscera and organs are a system
> that expresses a state which we interpret as an emotion.
>
> (I remember a dear friend of mine getting a messy divorce and remarking,
> when I worried that he was losing a lot of weight, that it wasn't his heart
> that was broken but his stomach....)
>
>
> David Kellogg
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:19 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:
>
>> If you're interested in s. 401, then you'll probably be interested in 402
>> as well.
>>
>> One other possibility: The "official" way of citing Hegel nowadays is to
>> cite the page no. in the authoritative version of *Hegel Werke*. The
>> German word for "page" is *Seite*, so you would say "S. 401" of the *Enc*,
>> This turns out also to be an interesting passage of the Subjective Spirit,
>> on Self-consciousness, concerned with the infamous Master-Slave dialectic,
>> though in a much reduced form, not like in the *Phenomenology of Spirit*.
>>
>>
>> See p. 401 in the other attachment, ENZYKl3.PDF, in German. English
>> translation is here:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/suconsci.htm*SU428__;Iw!!Mih3wA!WX-QNmo1DHzN3B0UFmPt3aPiAkgP3xKV23HPfmkuTzbcypgKpClYCNruiE5ZEkYsXWA1vg$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/suconsci.htm*SU428__;Iw!!Mih3wA!V5yS3WiqsE4SSOtcY1SJElXpnzzhFH035NnO1lZ49z3QJYH4kQO68Wccu2Y86C642xXiTQ$>
>>
>> Andy
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>> *Andy Blunden*
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>> On 23/07/2020 5:47 pm, Andy Blunden wrote:
>>
>> The Philosophy of Spirit is the Third Part of the Encyclopaedia, itself
>> composed of three parts:
>>
>>    - Subjective Spirit, which is commonly taken as Psychology
>>    - Objective Spirit, which is commonly taken as Social Theory, and
>>    - Absolute Spirit, which covers Art, religion, Science and Philosophy.
>>
>> The Encyclopaedia has numbered paragraphs. These do vary between 2 or
>> editions, but these will be limited probably by those translated into
>> English,
>>
>> I would start with the 1930 version"
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/susoul.htm*SU401__;Iw!!Mih3wA!WX-QNmo1DHzN3B0UFmPt3aPiAkgP3xKV23HPfmkuTzbcypgKpClYCNruiE5ZEkY42W57Qw$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/susoul.htm*SU401__;Iw!!Mih3wA!UcUFXSCRfRh-5aW0-7m25WJ_9mWTvjd1a6nOCEuF7RAbpt35sEPbx38XfvY3Rj0va8zujw$>
>> - a very early stage in the development of mental life, or.
>>
>> The 1817 version has
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/sspirit.htm*SS399__;Iw!!Mih3wA!WX-QNmo1DHzN3B0UFmPt3aPiAkgP3xKV23HPfmkuTzbcypgKpClYCNruiE5ZEkbPctdy7w$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sp/sspirit.htm*SS399__;Iw!!Mih3wA!UcUFXSCRfRh-5aW0-7m25WJ_9mWTvjd1a6nOCEuF7RAbpt35sEPbx38XfvY3Rj24gIDBAA$>
>> - this version puts s. 401 at the beginning of a version of Objective
>> Spirit.
>> The 1830 one, above, has a long Note to it written by his students on the
>> basis of Hegel's lectures which is a long discourse on the development of
>> thinking from sensation. I am thinking this is what you mean. I will
>> photocopy it and send it on.
>>
>> Andy
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>> On 23/07/2020 5:09 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>>
>> We are trying to turn Vygotsky's "Teaching on Emotion" into one of those
>> cartoon books that are so popular here in Korea (e.g. the "Why?" series).
>> It's not Vygotsky for dummies, but it will have a lot of pictures with
>> questions and answers alongside Vygotsky's rather difficult text.
>>
>> We've got to figure out the text first. For example, what does John Dewey
>> mean when he says:
>>
>> "On the historical side, it may be worth noting that a crude anticipation
>> of James' theory is found in Hegel's Philosophie des Geistes, 401."?
>>
>> Did Hegel ever write a Philosophie des Geistes? If so, does the number
>> refer to a page number or a section or what?
>>
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>> David Kellogg
>> Sangmyung University
>>
>> New Article: Ruqaiya Hasan, in memoriam: A manual and a manifesto.
>> Outlines, Spring 2020
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tidsskrift.dk/outlines/article/view/116238__;!!Mih3wA!WX-QNmo1DHzN3B0UFmPt3aPiAkgP3xKV23HPfmkuTzbcypgKpClYCNruiE5ZEkZ4iCGkkw$ 
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>> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: *L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works* *Volume
>> One: Foundations of Pedology*"
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