[Xmca-l] Re: useful psychology?

[mike cole]

Bingo
Mike

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:42 PM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org> wrote:

> This is what I was looking for:
>
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/crisis/psycri12.htm#p1207
>
> It was the exclusion of "psychotechnics" from the fundamental problems of
> psychology which he objected to. On the contrary, the philosophy of
> practice provided all the solutions to these problems. "The goal of such
> a psychology is not Shakespeare in concepts, as it was for Dilthey, but *in
> one word – psychotechnics*, i.e., a scientific theory which would lead to
> the subordination and mastery of the mind, to the artificial control of
> behaviour."
>
> Thanks all.
> Andy
> ------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> Hegel for Social Movements <https://brill.com/view/title/54574>
> Home Page <https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm>
> On 15/01/2020 3:09 pm, David Kellogg wrote:
>
> But psychotechnics was really the Soviet version of human resource
> management. The idea was to select particular "types" for particular jobs.
> It wasn't really a Soviet idea--it started in Germany (and in fact, the
> Nazis were very big on it; the selection ramp at Auschwitz was based on
> it). In China, there was also quite a bit of emphasis on making sure that
> people suited the professions chosen for them, as education was a very
> scarce resource.
>
> Isaac Spielrein--Sabine's brother, who was a colleague of Vygotsky--was a
> psychotechnician; his essay on the language of the Red Army soldier is
> written with that perspective in mind. And it was at a psychotechnic
> conference that Vygotsky was asked if there could be a pedology of adults,
> to aid in psychotechnic selection.
>
> Vygotsky said no.
>
> David Kellogg
> Sangmyung University
>
> New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and
> Word" i
> in *Mind Culture and Activity*
>
> *https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
> <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775> *
> Some free e-prints available at:
>
> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>
> New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works
> Volume One: Foundations of Pedology"
>
>  https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:02 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> Might you be looking for “psychotechnics” Andy?
>> Mike
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:35 PM David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy--
>>>
>>> That really doesn't sound like Vygotsky to me.
>>>
>>> Yes, he refers to art as the "social technique of emotion" (Psychology
>>> of Art). Yes, he did experiments on reading "Gentle Breath" to see if
>>> Bunin's short story had any affect on breathing rates. But as far as I know
>>> he had nothing to do with Luria's work on lie detectors (in The Nature of
>>> Human Conflict), and he was even rather skeptical of Luria's work on
>>> optical illusions in "uneducated" peoples
>>>
>>> . Remember, this is the guy who denied that a general psychology could
>>> ever cut itself off from practice and vice versa (History of the Crisis in
>>> Psychology), who rejected the idea that thinking is speech with the sound
>>> turned off (Thinking and Speech). Besides, who ever heard of a technology
>>> opposed to an epistemology? What would that mean? A hand without a brain?
>>>
>>> Vygotsky sounds more like this: "Neither the hand nor the brain left to
>>> itself can do much."  Francis Bacon, *Novum Organum* (1620), Book 1,
>>> Aphorism 2.
>>>
>>> David Kellogg
>>> Sangmyung University
>>>
>>> New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and
>>> Word" i
>>> in *Mind Culture and Activity*
>>>
>>> *https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>>> <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775> *
>>> Some free e-prints available at:
>>>
>>> https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's somewhere where Vygotsky talks about psychology as a technology
>>>> as opposed to (for example) an epistemology. Can anyone point me to where
>>>> this observation is to be found. I can find it with my search engines. I
>>>> think Vygotsky and Luria's invention of the lie-detector has been mentioned
>>>> in this connection.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>>> Hegel for Social Movements <https://brill.com/view/title/54574>
>>>> Home Page <https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm>
>>>>
>>> --
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>> therein lies its true   function and its potential for effecting change -
>> R. Ellison
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