From mcole@ucsd.edu Sat Feb 1 09:48:05 2020 From: mcole@ucsd.edu (mike cole) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 09:48:05 -0800 Subject: [Xmca-l] Fwd: [COGDEVSOC] University of Chicago Associate Professor Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excellent Job. There are also potential connections with other departments, such as Comparative Human Dev and Anthro. mike ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Katherine Kinzler Date: Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 9:29 AM Subject: [COGDEVSOC] University of Chicago Associate Professor Search To: Dear colleagues, We have a search for an Associate-level developmental psychologist at the University of Chicago Department of Psychology. It is an exciting period of growth in the department and I encourage you to apply! Please don't hesitate to reach out to me or to Susan Levine (s-levine@uchicago.edu) if you have any questions. https://academicjobs.uchicago.edu/positions/57058 Katie -- Katherine D. 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For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200201/6b1cb3ad/attachment.html From liberali@uol.com.br Wed Feb 5 03:29:22 2020 From: liberali@uol.com.br (liberali@uol.com.br) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 08:29:22 -0300 Subject: [Xmca-l] RES: [cradle-list] [cradle-news] Summer school on activity theory, June 9-12, 2020 In-Reply-To: <9C508D81-F746-49A0-AA87-9D3C133767FF@helsinki.fi> References: <9C508D81-F746-49A0-AA87-9D3C133767FF@helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <011f01d5dc17$87493ca0$95dbb5e0$@uol.com.br> Hello, Yrjo! I tried to find you with your phone but could not make it. Could you try to find me at fernanda.liberali? Best -----Mensagem original----- De: owner-cradle-list@helsinki.fi Em nome de Engestr?m, Yrj? H M Enviada em: ter?a-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2020 09:01 Para: cradle-news@helsinki.fi; spencerconference-l@ucsd.edu; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Assunto: [cradle-list] [cradle-news] Summer school on activity theory, June 9-12, 2020 Dear colleagues and friends, please find attached an announcement of a summer school on activity theory, to take place on June 9 to 12, 2020, in Leeds, UK. The instructors include David Allen, Yrj? Engestr?m, Stan Karanasios, Annalisa Sannino, and Clay Spinuzzi. A similar school was organised last year in Trolflh?ttan, Sweden, and it was very useful and great fun for both the participants and the instructors. Hope to see you there? With best regards, Yrj? Engestr?m From sebastien.lerique@normalesup.org Thu Feb 6 06:32:27 2020 From: sebastien.lerique@normalesup.org (=?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Lerique) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:32:27 +0100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: ELDM2020 submission extended | Embodied interactions, Languaging and the Dynamic Medium In-Reply-To: References: <8736cgvn1s.fsf@normalesup.org> Message-ID: <871rr7eqh0.fsf@normalesup.org> Dear all, A short reminder about the ELDM workshop for which registration is open until Monday 10 February: https://wehlutyk.gitlab.io/eldm2020/ The good news is that if you can't make physically, you can still register for the videoconference or follow the live stream! https://wehlutyk.gitlab.io/eldm2020/remote.html Best wishes, S?bastien On 19 Jan 2020 at 16:53, Bruce Jones wrote: >>From: S?bastien Lerique > To: XMCA Forum > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:58:39 +0100 > Message-ID: <8736cgvn1s.fsf@normalesup.org> > > > Dear all, > > This has appeared in Annalisa's latest thread, but as I'm > extending > the submission deadline to January 20 I thought I might make a > more > formal follow-up. > > I'm organising a workshop bringing together communities that > might > interest this list. The announcement is below, please forward it > to > your local communities and lists! > > Best wishes, > S?bastien > > --- > > The "Embodied interactions, Languaging and the Dynamic Medium > Workshop" (ELDM2020) is an event gathering interests and works > in > embodiment, languaging, diversity computing and humane > technologies, > on **18th February in Lyon, France**. Recent developments in > these > communities are ripe for focused conversations, and this > workshop will > be a coming-together for cross-pollination and explorations of > possible common futures. > > Invited speakers: > - Elena Clare Cuffari (Worcester State University) > - Mark Dingemanse (Radboud University) > - Omar Rizwan (Dynamicland.org) > - Jelle van Dijk (University of Twente) > > The call for proposals > > (copied below) has been extended and welcomes submissions from > researchers, technologists and artists alike. Participation is > free of > charge, and refreshments will be provided. If you are > interested in > proposing something but have questions, don't hesitate to ask at > sebastien.lerique@normalesup.org . > > Find out more on the website: > https://wehlutyk.gitlab.io/eldm2020/ > > Important dates: > - Submission deadline: 20th January 2020 > - Notification of acceptance: 22nd January 2020 > - Registration opened: 1st January 2020 > - Registration closes: 10th February 2020 > > Please forward this announcement as much as possible to your own > lists > and communities! > > > Call for Proposals > ------------------ > > Our understanding of language is currently undergoing a major > shift as > practitioners and researchers from many fields recognise the > constitutive role of embodied interactions in its > emergence. Instead > of a primarily symbolic capacity, language is increasingly seen > as an > activity fluidly grown from our enaction (i.e. our co-generation > and > navigation) of ties and interactions with other bodies. The > complexity > of language as we know it seems to be not so much the result of > individual brain-based computing capacities as an emergence from > our > constant negotiation of the tensions inherent to the dynamics of > everyday interactions. Languaging, rather than language, is thus > a > particular way of engaging with others and the world around us, > and > pervades all levels of our action and perception. > > A strikingly parallel move is happening in the technology world: > reconnecting with research ideas lost behind the emergence of > the > Personal Computer, technologists have started to break the > stranglehold of designing devices for the brain in a vat, which > effectively restricts our relationship to machines (and through > them > to other humans) to minute finger movements in front of a small > screen > filled with symbols. Instead, mediums are being designed to > appeal to > body and mind indistinctly, developing rich manual and spatial > dynamics to facilitate interactions with people and machines, > without > substituting themselves to an environment conceived as already > rich. Instead of isolating individuals into bodily inertness, > such > systems are designed to support us in navigating interactions > with > other people and with our own thought processes. > > These two movements share strong views about the ways in which > technological creations and scientific questions about body and > mind > can be more ethical and humane, while coming from complementary > starting points. For instance, the study of languaging is > concerned > with broader experimental validation, when medium design could > benefit > from theoretical work to guide future design choices. The ELDM > workshop aims to bring these communities together to share views > and > needs. We call for contributions concerned with embodied > interactions, > languaging, and humane or interaction-centric computing mediums, > and > propose a space to cross-pollinate and exchange about current > developments in academia, technology and arts. > > General topics > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > - Embodied interactions > - Languaging > - Humane dynamic medium > - Complexity of interactions > - Enactive cognitive science > - Diversity and alterity computing > - Human-computer-human interaction > - Interaction nurturing and support > > Guidelines for submitting > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > There are up to 6 slots for contributed talks or demos, and up > to 20 > poster slots. Talks will be 20 minutes presentation and 10 > minutes > questions. If you are interested in submitting but have doubts > or > questions, ask at sebastien.lerique@normalesup.org ! > > To submit, please write to sebastien.lerique@normalesup.org with > the > subject line "ELDM2020 Submission", and include: > - an abstract of about 300 words > - your preference for oral or poster presentation (or another > format > you would like to propose, e.g. an exhibition) > - the list of authors and affiliations if applicable From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Thu Feb 6 09:34:20 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:34:20 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andy, I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation of development *through the eyes of an expert; Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these questions be objectively answered? Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube channel , in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. Thank you, Anthony On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. > > I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better > internet connection these days, too. > > Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. > > The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have > the solution. :) > > andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Good evening, > > I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an > attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. > > Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: > http://tiny.cc/dra4iz > > Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter > for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz > > Thank you, and have a great day. > > Anthony Barra > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Andy ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > Hi Andy, > > I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find > either (or both) of them suitable -- both with an audience > of non-experts in mind: > > Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of /the > social situation of development /through the eyes of an > expert; > / > / > Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the > best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of > analysis?? Of Vygotsky's?? Can these questions be > objectively answered? > Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic > of Marx's economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's > psychological analysis? > > My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am > a slow learner -- and at times feel like my understanding > is progressing in reverse.? Topic 1 is a component of > cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel comfortable > with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, > and it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in > conversations with peers and friends.? Lastly, I am > motivated to continue building my youtube channel > , > in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who > have been captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. > > Thank you, > > Anthony > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden > > wrote: > > I really like what you've done to make those > two-minute quickies, Anthony. > > I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And > I've got? better internet connection these days, too. > > Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll > pick something. > > The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube > videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) > > andy > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >> Good evening, >> >> I'd like to share a small project I've been working >> on recently, in an attempt to better understand >> Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >> >> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes >> apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >> >> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, >> Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: >> http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >> >> Thank you, and have a great day. >> >> Anthony Barra > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200207/d043ae98/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Thu Feb 6 17:41:04 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 20:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> Message-ID: Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy topic. Anthony On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully > illustrate the creativity of collaboration! > > I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather > than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first > requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of > thought. > > Thank you! > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of > them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: > > Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation > of development *through the eyes of an expert; > > Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world > outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these > questions be objectively answered? > Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's > economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? > > My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner > -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. > Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel > comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and > it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with > peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube > channel , > in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been > captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. > > Thank you, > > Anthony > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > >> I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >> >> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better >> internet connection these days, too. >> >> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. >> >> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have >> the solution. :) >> >> andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> Home Page >> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> >> I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an >> attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >> >> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: >> http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >> >> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter >> for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >> >> Thank you, and have a great day. >> >> Anthony Barra >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200206/fc6e7a9f/attachment.html From ajrajala@gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:37:23 2020 From: ajrajala@gmail.com (Antti Rajala) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 10:37:23 +0200 Subject: [Xmca-l] EARLI SIG 25: JURE 2020 SIG INVITED SYMPOSIUM + TRAVEL GRANT Message-ID: Dear colleagues Please note below this good opportunity for a group of PhD students! EARLI SIG 25 (European Association of Research on Learning and Instruction, SIG Educational theory) is looking for good proposals for our invited symposium to junior researchers conference in Porto 13th - 17th of July 2020 (see below the call for proposals) More information about the conference: https://www.earli.org/JURE2020#jure-2020 Best, Alexandra Nordstr?m, Antti Rajala, Nina Bonderup Dohn, Giuseppe Ritella (SIG 25 coordinating team) *** SIG 25: JURE 2020 SIG INVITED SYMPOSIUM + TRAVEL GRANT Dear all, We have received a request to submit an invited symposium to the next JURE conference at the University of Porto, Portugal, 13th - 17th of July 2020. We would like to receive proposals from the JURE members of the SIG by February 20th. Senior researchers - please encourage your PhD students to apply! We are happy to announce that SIG 25 can support the group organizing the symposium with a 1000 euro grant to cover travel and accommodation expenses. The organizer can decide how to distribute the grant among the participants (e.g. supporting those whose costs are not covered by their institutions). In this phase, we would need the title and a general abstract of the symposium of 250-words. The abstract should provide information regarding the aims of the symposium and its scientific and educational relevance (possibly linked to the conference theme Generation change: The Future of Education in a Diverse Society). The proposals will be evaluated by the SIG coordinating team based on the following criteria: - Relevance to EARLI domain of Learning and Instruction - Significance for theoretical debate - Theoretical framework, conceptual rationale or pragmatic grounding - Embeddedness in relevant literature - Clarity and robustness of theoretical argument - Overall quality and scientific originality Please send proposals to: antti.rajala@helsinki.fi Please note that a symposium consists of three to four papers and the length of the symposium as a whole is 90 minutes. This is to ensure that there is time for interaction and discussion. The invited symposia will not be reviewed. The organizer who is selected to organize the SIG 25 JURE invited symposium, needs to send the full proposal, including 1000 words abstracts of all presentations and the names and affiliations of all presenters, the chair and discussant by March 11th 2020. More information about the conference: https://www.earli.org/JURE2020#jure-2020 Best, Antti, Nina, Alexandra and Giuseppe From helen.beetham@gmail.com Fri Feb 7 01:19:25 2020 From: helen.beetham@gmail.com (Helen Beetham) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 09:19:25 +0000 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> Message-ID: <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. In solidarity Helen Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant @helenbeetham helenb33 helen.beetham@gmail.com h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk digitalthinking.org.uk > On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. > > And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy topic. > > Anthony > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: > Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully illustrate the creativity of collaboration! > > I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of thought. > > Thank you! > > Andy > > Andy Blunden > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> Hi Andy, >> >> I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: >> >> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of the social situation of development through the eyes of an expert; >> >> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these questions be objectively answered? >> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? >> >> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube channel , in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: >> I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >> >> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better internet connection these days, too. >> >> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. >> >> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) >> >> andy >> >> Andy Blunden >> Hegel for Social Movements >> Home Page >> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >>> Good evening, >>> >>> I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >>> >>> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >>> >>> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >>> >>> Thank you, and have a great day. >>> >>> Anthony Barra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200207/3b72709f/attachment.html From andyb@marxists.org Fri Feb 7 01:46:58 2020 From: andyb@marxists.org (Andy Blunden) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:46:58 +1100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a95037-7a69-f16a-0b48-00649c037b1e@marxists.org> You've said a lot of things I heartily agree with, Helen, and it would help me a great deal if you would explain to me exactly what you /mean/ by "the philosophy and the method." Andy ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 7/02/2020 8:19 pm, Helen Beetham wrote: > The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. > As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and > share) some two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT > in research settings. After years of working in the field > and using (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to > other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit > something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long > and detailed justification for its use, via critical > theory, philosophy of language, and even evolutionary > biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and > the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it > falls between sociological methods/explanations that tend > to be hyper local and resist any systematic account of the > relationships between agency, material artefacts, and > cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or > systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and > meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces acting on a > situation. AT comes through the middle - but exactly how > it does that seems to me very particular to the context of > study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical > experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or naivity of > my own understanding. > > The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but > there are few really seminal articles - to someone not > centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the link > between the philosophy and the method. > > In solidarity > Helen > > Helen Beetham,?Researcher and Consultant > @helenbeetham ?helenb33 > helen.beetham@gmail.com > h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk > digitalthinking.org.uk > > > > > >> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra >> > > wrote: >> >> Ok, thanks Andy.? Good idea. >> >> And then after that we can have another chat, if we can >> think of a worthy topic. >> >> Anthony >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden >> > wrote: >> >> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which >> beautifully illustrate the creativity of collaboration! >> >> I will record them on my webcam and edit them and >> send them to you, rather than doing it by Skype. >> Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first requires >> a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require >> a lot of thought. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Andy >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> I have two potential topics in mind, if you would >>> find either (or both) of them suitable -- both with >>> an audience of non-experts in mind: >>> >>> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of >>> /the social situation of development /through the >>> eyes of an expert; >>> / >>> / >>> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and >>> the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of >>> analysis?? Of Vygotsky's?? Can these questions be >>> objectively answered? >>> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or >>> critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith in >>> Vygotsky's psychological analysis? >>> >>> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, >>> I am a slow learner -- and at times feel like my >>> understanding is progressing in reverse.? Topic 1 is >>> a component of cultural-historical theory I don't >>> yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I >>> personally am curious about, and it is also a topic >>> I can't speak productively about in conversations >>> with peers and friends.? Lastly, I am motivated to >>> continue building my youtube channel >>> , >>> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to >>> others who have been captured - and confused - by >>> Vygotsky and his ideas. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I really like what you've done to make those >>> two-minute quickies, Anthony. >>> >>> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you >>> are. And I've got? better internet connection >>> these days, too. >>> >>> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and >>> I'll pick something. >>> >>> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long >>> youtube videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) >>> >>> andy >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Hegel for Social Movements >>> >>> Home Page >>> >>> >>> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >>>> Good evening, >>>> >>>> I'd like to share a small project I've been >>>> working on recently, in an attempt to better >>>> understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >>>> >>>> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes >>>> apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >>>> >>>> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to >>>> Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: >>>> http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >>>> >>>> Thank you, and have a great day. >>>> >>>> Anthony Barra >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200207/6f4635e3/attachment.html From wendy.maples@outlook.com Fri Feb 7 03:18:50 2020 From: wendy.maples@outlook.com (Wendy Maples) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 11:18:50 +0000 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> , <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' especially! ________________________________ From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu on behalf of Helen Beetham Sent: 07 February 2020 09:19 To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. In solidarity Helen Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant @helenbeetham helenb33 helen.beetham@gmail.com h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk digitalthinking.org.uk On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra > wrote: Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy topic. Anthony On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully illustrate the creativity of collaboration! I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of thought. Thank you! Andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: Hi Andy, I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of the social situation of development through the eyes of an expert; Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these questions be objectively answered? Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube channel, in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. Thank you, Anthony On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better internet connection these days, too. Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: Good evening, I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz Thank you, and have a great day. Anthony Barra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200207/ea4ddb11/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Mon Feb 10 12:36:42 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:36:42 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of Development. Snippets here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo Full video here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and probably fun for all involved. Thanks for the hospitality, Anthony On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples wrote: > Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' > especially! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Helen Beetham > *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > > The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. > As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some > two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After > years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an > analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit > something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed > justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and > even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and > the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between > sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist > any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material > artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or > systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the > ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - > but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of > study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and > apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. > > The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few > really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes > hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. > > In solidarity > Helen > > Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant > @helenbeetham helenb33 > helen.beetham@gmail.com > h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk > digitalthinking.org.uk > > > > > > > On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. > > And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy > topic. > > Anthony > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully > illustrate the creativity of collaboration! > > I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather > than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first > requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of > thought. > > Thank you! > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of > them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: > > Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation > of development *through the eyes of an expert; > > Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world > outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these > questions be objectively answered? > Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's > economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? > > My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner > -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. > Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel > comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and > it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with > peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube > channel > , > in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been > captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. > > Thank you, > > Anthony > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. > > I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better > internet connection these days, too. > > Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. > > The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have > the solution. :) > > andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Good evening, > > I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an > attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. > > Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: > http://tiny.cc/dra4iz > > > Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter > for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz > > > > Thank you, and have a great day. > > Anthony Barra > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200210/5cad5ff2/attachment.html From andyb@marxists.org Mon Feb 10 15:11:49 2020 From: andyb@marxists.org (Andy Blunden) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:11:49 +1100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. Andy ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the > Social Situation of Development. > > Snippets here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo > Full video here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like > to contribute to the new "Answered questions" playlist, > that would be great -- and probably fun for all involved. > > Thanks for the hospitality, > > Anthony > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > > wrote: > > Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short > video on 'Topic 1' especially! > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > > > on behalf of > Helen Beetham > > *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > > > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general > audience > The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. > As a researcher I would be really interested to hear > (and share) some two-minute, practical accounts of > using CHAT in research settings. After years of > working in the field and using (and recommending) AT > as an analytical frame to other researchers, I?m > finding that in order to submit something for a PhD I > have to write an extraordinary long and detailed > justification for its use, via critical theory, > philosophy of language, and even evolutionary biology. > The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the > reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it > falls between sociological methods/explanations that > tend to be hyper local and resist any systematic > account of the relationships between agency, material > artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more > cybernetic or systematic accounts that dissolve human > agency and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces > acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - > but exactly how it does that seems to me very > particular to the context of study. I?d be interested > in any thoughts or practical experiences - and > apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own > understanding. > > The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but > there are few really seminal articles - to someone not > centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the > link between the philosophy and the method. > > In solidarity > Helen > > Helen Beetham,?Researcher and Consultant > @helenbeetham ?helenb33 > helen.beetham@gmail.com > h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk > digitalthinking.org.uk > > > > > > >> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra >> > > wrote: >> >> Ok, thanks Andy.? Good idea. >> >> And then after that we can have another chat, if we >> can think of a worthy topic. >> >> Anthony >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden >> > wrote: >> >> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions >> which beautifully illustrate the creativity of >> collaboration! >> >> I will record them on my webcam and edit them and >> send them to you, rather than doing it by Skype. >> Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first >> requires a thought-out concise answer, and the >> other 2 require a lot of thought. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Andy >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> >> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >>> Hi Andy, >>> >>> I have two potential topics in mind, if you >>> would find either (or both) of them suitable -- >>> both with an audience of non-experts in mind: >>> >>> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept >>> of /the social situation of development /through >>> the eyes of an expert; >>> / >>> / >>> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, >>> and the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's >>> methods of analysis?? Of Vygotsky's?? Can these >>> questions be objectively answered? >>> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic >>> or critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith >>> in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? >>> >>> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure >>> of, I am a slow learner -- and at times feel >>> like my understanding is progressing in >>> reverse.? Topic 1 is a component of >>> cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel >>> comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I >>> personally am curious about, and it is also a >>> topic I can't speak productively about in >>> conversations with peers and friends.? Lastly, I >>> am motivated to continue building my youtube >>> channel >>> , >>> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to >>> others who have been captured - and confused - >>> by Vygotsky and his ideas. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> I really like what you've done to make those >>> two-minute quickies, Anthony. >>> >>> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you >>> are. And I've got? better internet >>> connection these days, too. >>> >>> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions >>> and I'll pick something. >>> >>> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long >>> youtube videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) >>> >>> andy >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Hegel for Social Movements >>> >>> Home Page >>> >>> >>> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >>>> Good evening, >>>> >>>> I'd like to share a small project I've been >>>> working on recently, in an attempt to >>>> better understand Vygotsky's ideas and >>>> implications. >>>> >>>> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 >>>> minutes apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >>>> >>>> >>>> Longer ones are here, and I am very >>>> grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for >>>> their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, and have a great day. >>>> >>>> Anthony Barra >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200211/9c9cad28/attachment.html From carolmacdon@gmail.com Tue Feb 11 04:19:39 2020 From: carolmacdon@gmail.com (Carol Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:19:39 +0200 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Helen *The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few > really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes > hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method.* > I am a lurker on this list-serv. But nobody has responded to you. Forgive me, but I really thought in this case the philosophy IS the method. That's what makes AT so special. Carol ---------------------------- Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin) Editlab.Net The Matthew Project On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 01:18, Andy Blunden wrote: > i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after > I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been > saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. > > I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a > video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of > Development. > > Snippets here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo > Full video here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute > to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and > probably fun for all involved. > > Thanks for the hospitality, > > Anthony > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > wrote: > >> Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' >> especially! >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu >> on behalf of Helen Beetham >> *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 >> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience >> >> The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. >> As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some >> two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After >> years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an >> analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit >> something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed >> justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and >> even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and >> the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between >> sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist >> any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material >> artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or >> systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the >> ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - >> but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of >> study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and >> apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. >> >> The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few >> really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes >> hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. >> >> In solidarity >> Helen >> >> Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant >> @helenbeetham helenb33 >> helen.beetham@gmail.com >> h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk >> digitalthinking.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. >> >> And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy >> topic. >> >> Anthony >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully >> illustrate the creativity of collaboration! >> >> I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, >> rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first >> requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of >> thought. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) >> of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: >> >> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation >> of development *through the eyes of an expert; >> >> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world >> outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these >> questions be objectively answered? >> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's >> economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? >> >> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner >> -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. >> Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel >> comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and >> it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with >> peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube >> channel >> , >> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been >> captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >> >> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better >> internet connection these days, too. >> >> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. >> >> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have >> the solution. :) >> >> andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> >> I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an >> attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >> >> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: >> http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >> >> >> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter >> for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >> >> >> >> Thank you, and have a great day. >> >> Anthony Barra >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200211/cdaa16e7/attachment.html From dkirsh@lsu.edu Tue Feb 11 04:54:44 2020 From: dkirsh@lsu.edu (David H Kirshner) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:54:44 +0000 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Carol, I?m interested in the issues you?ve resurrected from Helen?s post ? I raised a similar one sometime back. But I?m not finding Helen?s post in the XMCA archives. Search for the whole the whole quoted sentence, or even just the first few words, gets not hits. (Am I misusing the search function?) Can you direct me to the Helen?s original posting? Thanks. David From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 6:20 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience Helen The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. I am a lurker on this list-serv. But nobody has responded to you. Forgive me, but I really thought in this case the philosophy IS the method. That's what makes AT so special. Carol ---------------------------- Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin) Editlab.Net The Matthew Project On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 01:18, Andy Blunden > wrote: i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. Andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of Development. Snippets here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo Full video here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and probably fun for all involved. Thanks for the hospitality, Anthony On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > wrote: Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' especially! ________________________________ From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Helen Beetham > Sent: 07 February 2020 09:19 To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. In solidarity Helen Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant @helenbeetham helenb33 helen.beetham@gmail.com h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk digitalthinking.org.uk On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra > wrote: Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy topic. Anthony On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully illustrate the creativity of collaboration! I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of thought. Thank you! Andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: Hi Andy, I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of the social situation of development through the eyes of an expert; Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these questions be objectively answered? Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube channel, in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. Thank you, Anthony On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better internet connection these days, too. Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: Good evening, I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz Thank you, and have a great day. Anthony Barra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200211/d38c39aa/attachment.html From carolmacdon@gmail.com Tue Feb 11 05:02:02 2020 From: carolmacdon@gmail.com (Carol Macdonald) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:02:02 +0200 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: David 7th Feb, but if you go up to "some videos for a general audience" it is nested in Andy's post, which is where I found it. Carol ---------------------------- Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin) Editlab.Net The Matthew Project On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 14:57, David H Kirshner wrote: > Carol, > > I?m interested in the issues you?ve resurrected from Helen?s post ? I > raised a similar one sometime back. > > But I?m not finding Helen?s post in the XMCA archives. Search for the > whole the whole quoted sentence, or even just the first few words, gets not > hits. (Am I misusing the search function?) > > Can you direct me to the Helen?s original posting? > > Thanks. > > David > > > > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu *On > Behalf Of *Carol Macdonald > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2020 6:20 AM > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > > > > Helen > > *The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few > really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes > hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method.* > > > > > > I am a lurker on this list-serv. But nobody has responded to you. > > > > Forgive me, but I really thought in this case the philosophy IS the > method. That's what makes AT so special. > > > > Carol > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin) > > Editlab.Net > > The Matthew Project > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 01:18, Andy Blunden wrote: > > i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after > I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been > saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. > > I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a > video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. > > Andy > ------------------------------ > > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > > On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of > Development. > > > > Snippets here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo > > > Full video here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > > > > I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute > to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and > probably fun for all involved. > > > > Thanks for the hospitality, > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > wrote: > > Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' > especially! > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Helen Beetham > *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > > > > The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. > > As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some > two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After > years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an > analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit > something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed > justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and > even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and > the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between > sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist > any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material > artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or > systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the > ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - > but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of > study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and > apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. > > > > The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few > really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes > hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. > > > > In solidarity > > Helen > > > > Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant > > @helenbeetham helenb33 > > helen.beetham@gmail.com > > h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk > > digitalthinking.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: > > > > Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. > > > > And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy > topic. > > > > Anthony > > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully > illustrate the creativity of collaboration! > > I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather > than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first > requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of > thought. > > Thank you! > > Andy > ------------------------------ > > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > > On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of > them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: > > > > Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation > of development *through the eyes of an expert; > > > > Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world > outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these > questions be objectively answered? > > Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's > economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? > > > > My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner > -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. > Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel > comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and > it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with > peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube > channel > , > in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been > captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. > > I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better > internet connection these days, too. > > Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. > > The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have > the solution. :) > > andy > ------------------------------ > > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > > On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Good evening, > > > > I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an > attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. > > > > Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: > http://tiny.cc/dra4iz > > > > > Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter > for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz > > > > > > Thank you, and have a great day. > > > > Anthony Barra > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200211/d49d7af4/attachment.html From dkellogg60@gmail.com Tue Feb 11 05:38:37 2020 From: dkellogg60@gmail.com (David Kellogg) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 22:38:37 +0900 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bella: There is the discussion of Charlie Chaplin in the "Crisis at Seven". What Vygotsky says is that Chaplin's art depends on the presentation of a very naive, direct, and unmediated relationship between inner self and outer persona--by implication the intellectualized "wedge' that the child inserts between these constitutes a neoformation. My current research is based on figuring out what the grammatical expressions of this "wedge" are in the Korean language, and sure enough we are using a lot of data about cinema to do it (the recent CGI version of the Lion King and the question "Do animals really talk?"). Vygotsky only makes a passing reference to Chaplin and he doesn't discuss (for example) the extent to which Chaplin's naive and direct personal depends on not speaking. And of course he didn't know about Chaplin's later work in talkies, some of which actually hinges on dissemblance and deception ("Monseiur Verdoux"). But when I watch the final speech at the end of the Great Dictator, I notice that when Chaplin has something to say about war and fascism, he just says it. There is something of the naive, direct, and unmediated relationship between self and persona even there. David Kellogg New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. Free summarizing outlines. Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/ book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 8:45 PM Bella Kotik-Friedgut wrote: > Dear colleagues > It is well known what was LSV love and writings about theater. Also Ht > and Luria where very friendly with S. Eisenstein, My question is^ did > Vygotsky write anything about cinema? > Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200211/db5c3695/attachment.html From bella.kotik@gmail.com Tue Feb 11 09:00:49 2020 From: bella.kotik@gmail.com (Bella Kotik-Friedgut) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:00:49 +0200 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you very much, David! Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 3:41 PM David Kellogg wrote: > Dear Bella: > > There is the discussion of Charlie Chaplin in the "Crisis at Seven". What > Vygotsky says is that Chaplin's art depends on the presentation of a very > naive, direct, and unmediated relationship between inner self and outer > persona--by implication the intellectualized "wedge' that the child inserts > between these constitutes a neoformation. > > My current research is based on figuring out what the grammatical > expressions of this "wedge" are in the Korean language, and sure enough we > are using a lot of data about cinema to do it (the recent CGI version of > the Lion King and the question "Do animals really talk?"). > > Vygotsky only makes a passing reference to Chaplin and he doesn't discuss > (for example) the extent to which Chaplin's naive and direct personal > depends on not speaking. And of course he didn't know about Chaplin's later > work in talkies, some of which actually hinges on dissemblance and > deception ("Monseiur Verdoux"). But when I watch the final speech at the > end of the Great Dictator, I notice that when Chaplin has something to say > about war and fascism, he just says it. There is something of the naive, > direct, and unmediated relationship between self and persona even there. > > David Kellogg > > New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: > > ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. > > Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. > Free summarizing outlines. > > Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > > The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/ > book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 > > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 8:45 PM Bella Kotik-Friedgut < > bella.kotik@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear colleagues >> It is well known what was LSV love and writings about theater. Also Ht >> and Luria where very friendly with S. Eisenstein, My question is^ did >> Vygotsky write anything about cinema? >> Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200211/6f4adc7c/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Wed Feb 12 08:58:09 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:58:09 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Andy has replied, and his responses are here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx Would anyone else like to get involved in this little video project? Thanks ~ Anthony On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after > I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been > saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. > > I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a > video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of > Development. > > Snippets here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo > Full video here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute > to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and > probably fun for all involved. > > Thanks for the hospitality, > > Anthony > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > wrote: > >> Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' >> especially! >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu >> on behalf of Helen Beetham >> *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 >> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience >> >> The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. >> As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some >> two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After >> years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an >> analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit >> something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed >> justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and >> even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and >> the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between >> sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist >> any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material >> artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or >> systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the >> ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - >> but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of >> study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and >> apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. >> >> The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few >> really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes >> hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. >> >> In solidarity >> Helen >> >> Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant >> @helenbeetham helenb33 >> helen.beetham@gmail.com >> h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk >> digitalthinking.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. >> >> And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy >> topic. >> >> Anthony >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully >> illustrate the creativity of collaboration! >> >> I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, >> rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first >> requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of >> thought. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) >> of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: >> >> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation >> of development *through the eyes of an expert; >> >> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world >> outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these >> questions be objectively answered? >> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's >> economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? >> >> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner >> -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. >> Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel >> comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and >> it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with >> peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube >> channel >> , >> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been >> captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >> >> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better >> internet connection these days, too. >> >> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. >> >> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have >> the solution. :) >> >> andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> >> I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an >> attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >> >> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: >> http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >> >> >> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter >> for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >> >> >> >> Thank you, and have a great day. >> >> Anthony Barra >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Helena hworthen@illinois.edu helenaworthen@gmail.com helena.worthen1 > On Jan 23, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Good evening, > > I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. > > Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz > > Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz > > Thank you, and have a great day. > > Anthony Barra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200212/03a4be99/attachment.html From wendy.maples@outlook.com Fri Feb 14 09:02:38 2020 From: wendy.maples@outlook.com (Wendy Maples) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 17:02:38 +0000 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> , Message-ID: This is such a great project: thank you Andy and Anthony!! (Though I am very concerned about Anthony posing Qs whilst driving -- let's have a rule against that please ?.) A video on the ZPD would be very welcome, please, in particular, how 'social interaction' might be expressed. All the best, Wendy (sitting safely on her sofa waiting for the lemon drizzle cake to bake) ________________________________ From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu on behalf of Anthony Barra Sent: 12 February 2020 16:58 To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience Andy has replied, and his responses are here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx Would anyone else like to get involved in this little video project? Thanks ~ Anthony On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. Andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of Development. Snippets here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo Full video here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and probably fun for all involved. Thanks for the hospitality, Anthony On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > wrote: Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' especially! ________________________________ From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Helen Beetham > Sent: 07 February 2020 09:19 To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. In solidarity Helen Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant @helenbeetham helenb33 helen.beetham@gmail.com h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk digitalthinking.org.uk On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra > wrote: Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy topic. Anthony On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully illustrate the creativity of collaboration! I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of thought. Thank you! Andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: Hi Andy, I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of the social situation of development through the eyes of an expert; Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these questions be objectively answered? Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube channel, in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. Thank you, Anthony On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden > wrote: I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better internet connection these days, too. Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have the solution. :) andy ________________________________ Andy Blunden Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: Good evening, I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: http://tiny.cc/dra4iz Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz Thank you, and have a great day. Anthony Barra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200214/d6bba1cd/attachment.html From andyb@marxists.org Fri Feb 14 13:17:36 2020 From: andyb@marxists.org (Andy Blunden) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:17:36 +1100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <452a468a-ee9e-5599-6868-0f17bb562f23@marxists.org> Any chance you could help us maintain this genre by (perhaps) speaking your question into your phone and recording a little video of it, and sending to me? ZPD is a challenging one, but I'll have a go, but your second one I would very much like to see formulated as a video question in your voice. andy ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 15/02/2020 4:02 am, Wendy Maples wrote: > This is such a great project: thank you Andy and Anthony!! > (Though I am very concerned about Anthony posing Qs whilst > driving -- let's have a rule against that please ?.) > > A video on the ZPD would be very welcome, ?please, in > particular, how 'social interaction' might be expressed. > > All the best, > Wendy > (sitting safely on her sofa waiting for the lemon drizzle > cake to bake) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Anthony > Barra > *Sent:* 12 February 2020 16:58 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > Andy has replied, and his responses are here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > > > Would anyone else like to get involved in this little > video project? > > Thanks ~ > Anthony > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Andy Blunden > > wrote: > > i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 > mins, Anthony, but after I'd watched the 2 min > version, I couldn't think what I could have been > saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. > > I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, > could send me a video clip of 5-15 seconds with a > question to answer. > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > > On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the >> Social Situation of Development. >> >> Snippets here: >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo >> >> Full video here: >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx >> >> >> I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would >> like to contribute to the new "Answered questions" >> playlist, that would be great -- and probably fun for >> all involved. >> >> Thanks for the hospitality, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples >> > > wrote: >> >> Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short >> video on 'Topic 1' especially! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu >> >> > > on >> behalf of Helen Beetham > > >> *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 >> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> > > >> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general >> audience >> The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful >> idea. >> As a researcher I would be really interested to >> hear (and share) some two-minute, practical >> accounts of using CHAT in research settings. >> After years of working in the field and using >> (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to >> other researchers, I?m finding that in order to >> submit something for a PhD I have to write an >> extraordinary long and detailed justification for >> its use, via critical theory, philosophy of >> language, and even evolutionary biology. The >> reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the >> reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it >> falls between sociological methods/explanations >> that tend to be hyper local and resist any >> systematic account of the relationships between >> agency, material artefacts, and >> cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic >> or systematic accounts that dissolve human agency >> and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces >> acting on a situation. AT comes through the >> middle - but exactly how it does that seems to me >> very particular to the context of study. I?d be >> interested in any thoughts or practical >> experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or >> naivity of my own understanding. >> >> The XMCA archives are a mine of useful >> discussion, but there are few really seminal >> articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s >> sometimes hard to make the link between the >> philosophy and the method. >> >> In solidarity >> Helen >> >> Helen Beetham,?Researcher and Consultant >> @helenbeetham ?helenb33 >> helen.beetham@gmail.com >> >> h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk >> digitalthinking.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. >>> >>> And then after that we can have another chat, if >>> we can think of a worthy topic. >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, >>> questions which beautifully illustrate the >>> creativity of collaboration! >>> >>> I will record them on my webcam and edit >>> them and send them to you, rather than doing >>> it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks >>> though. The first requires a thought-out >>> concise answer, and the other 2 require a >>> lot of thought. >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Hegel for Social Movements >>> >>> Home Page >>> >>> >>> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >>>> Hi Andy, >>>> >>>> I have two potential topics in mind, if you >>>> would find either (or both) of them >>>> suitable -- both with an audience of >>>> non-experts in mind: >>>> >>>> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the >>>> concept of /the social situation of >>>> development /through the eyes of an expert; >>>> / >>>> / >>>> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the >>>> worst, and the best, real-world outcomes >>>> from Marx's methods of analysis?? Of >>>> Vygotsky's?? Can these questions be >>>> objectively answered? >>>> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a >>>> skeptic or critic of Marx's economic >>>> analysis have faith in Vygotsky's >>>> psychological analysis? >>>> >>>> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally >>>> sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at >>>> times feel like my understanding is >>>> progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a >>>> component of cultural-historical theory I >>>> don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is >>>> something I personally am curious about, >>>> and it is also a topic I can't speak >>>> productively about in conversations with >>>> peers and friends.? Lastly, I am motivated >>>> to continue building my youtube channel >>>> , >>>> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource >>>> to others who have been captured - and >>>> confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy >>>> Blunden >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I really like what you've done to make >>>> those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >>>> >>>> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As >>>> if you are. And I've got? better >>>> internet connection these days, too. >>>> >>>> Send me a list of >>>> topics/problems/questions and I'll pick >>>> something. >>>> >>>> The fact is: people don't watch >>>> hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You >>>> have the solution. :) >>>> >>>> andy >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *Andy Blunden* >>>> Hegel for Social Movements >>>> >>>> Home Page >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >>>>> Good evening, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to share a small project I've >>>>> been working on recently, in an >>>>> attempt to better understand >>>>> Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >>>>> >>>>> Short clips are here, averaging about >>>>> 2 minutes apiece: >>>>> http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Longer ones are here, and I am very >>>>> grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter >>>>> for their generosity: >>>>> http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, and have a great day. >>>>> >>>>> Anthony Barra >>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200215/53ba7c8d/attachment.html From andyb@marxists.org Fri Feb 14 13:20:51 2020 From: andyb@marxists.org (Andy Blunden) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:20:51 +1100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: ... but on the subject of ZOPED, have you watched Mike Cole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1RYkR0d8H8&list=PLVtqS_boWBCGKeZKquMGyvBNaCcL60leQ That's only 21 min. Andy ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 15/02/2020 4:02 am, Wendy Maples wrote: > This is such a great project: thank you Andy and Anthony!! > (Though I am very concerned about Anthony posing Qs whilst > driving -- let's have a rule against that please ?.) > > A video on the ZPD would be very welcome, ?please, in > particular, how 'social interaction' might be expressed. > > All the best, > Wendy > (sitting safely on her sofa waiting for the lemon drizzle > cake to bake) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Anthony > Barra > *Sent:* 12 February 2020 16:58 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > Andy has replied, and his responses are here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > > > Would anyone else like to get involved in this little > video project? > > Thanks ~ > Anthony > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Andy Blunden > > wrote: > > i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 > mins, Anthony, but after I'd watched the 2 min > version, I couldn't think what I could have been > saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. > > I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, > could send me a video clip of 5-15 seconds with a > question to answer. > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > > On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the >> Social Situation of Development. >> >> Snippets here: >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo >> >> Full video here: >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx >> >> >> I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would >> like to contribute to the new "Answered questions" >> playlist, that would be great -- and probably fun for >> all involved. >> >> Thanks for the hospitality, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples >> > > wrote: >> >> Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short >> video on 'Topic 1' especially! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu >> >> > > on >> behalf of Helen Beetham > > >> *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 >> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> > > >> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general >> audience >> The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful >> idea. >> As a researcher I would be really interested to >> hear (and share) some two-minute, practical >> accounts of using CHAT in research settings. >> After years of working in the field and using >> (and recommending) AT as an analytical frame to >> other researchers, I?m finding that in order to >> submit something for a PhD I have to write an >> extraordinary long and detailed justification for >> its use, via critical theory, philosophy of >> language, and even evolutionary biology. The >> reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and the >> reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it >> falls between sociological methods/explanations >> that tend to be hyper local and resist any >> systematic account of the relationships between >> agency, material artefacts, and >> cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic >> or systematic accounts that dissolve human agency >> and meaning-making in the ?factors? and forces >> acting on a situation. AT comes through the >> middle - but exactly how it does that seems to me >> very particular to the context of study. I?d be >> interested in any thoughts or practical >> experiences - and apologise for any mistakes or >> naivity of my own understanding. >> >> The XMCA archives are a mine of useful >> discussion, but there are few really seminal >> articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s >> sometimes hard to make the link between the >> philosophy and the method. >> >> In solidarity >> Helen >> >> Helen Beetham,?Researcher and Consultant >> @helenbeetham ?helenb33 >> helen.beetham@gmail.com >> >> h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk >> digitalthinking.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. >>> >>> And then after that we can have another chat, if >>> we can think of a worthy topic. >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, >>> questions which beautifully illustrate the >>> creativity of collaboration! >>> >>> I will record them on my webcam and edit >>> them and send them to you, rather than doing >>> it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks >>> though. The first requires a thought-out >>> concise answer, and the other 2 require a >>> lot of thought. >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *Andy Blunden* >>> Hegel for Social Movements >>> >>> Home Page >>> >>> >>> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >>>> Hi Andy, >>>> >>>> I have two potential topics in mind, if you >>>> would find either (or both) of them >>>> suitable -- both with an audience of >>>> non-experts in mind: >>>> >>>> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the >>>> concept of /the social situation of >>>> development /through the eyes of an expert; >>>> / >>>> / >>>> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the >>>> worst, and the best, real-world outcomes >>>> from Marx's methods of analysis?? Of >>>> Vygotsky's?? Can these questions be >>>> objectively answered? >>>> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a >>>> skeptic or critic of Marx's economic >>>> analysis have faith in Vygotsky's >>>> psychological analysis? >>>> >>>> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally >>>> sure of, I am a slow learner -- and at >>>> times feel like my understanding is >>>> progressing in reverse. Topic 1 is a >>>> component of cultural-historical theory I >>>> don't yet feel comfortable with; Topic 2 is >>>> something I personally am curious about, >>>> and it is also a topic I can't speak >>>> productively about in conversations with >>>> peers and friends.? Lastly, I am motivated >>>> to continue building my youtube channel >>>> , >>>> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource >>>> to others who have been captured - and >>>> confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Anthony >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy >>>> Blunden >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I really like what you've done to make >>>> those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >>>> >>>> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As >>>> if you are. And I've got? better >>>> internet connection these days, too. >>>> >>>> Send me a list of >>>> topics/problems/questions and I'll pick >>>> something. >>>> >>>> The fact is: people don't watch >>>> hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You >>>> have the solution. :) >>>> >>>> andy >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *Andy Blunden* >>>> Hegel for Social Movements >>>> >>>> Home Page >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >>>>> Good evening, >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to share a small project I've >>>>> been working on recently, in an >>>>> attempt to better understand >>>>> Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >>>>> >>>>> Short clips are here, averaging about >>>>> 2 minutes apiece: >>>>> http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Longer ones are here, and I am very >>>>> grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter >>>>> for their generosity: >>>>> http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, and have a great day. >>>>> >>>>> Anthony Barra >>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200215/628f95ca/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Fri Feb 14 13:34:55 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:34:55 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Wendy. Forgive the appearance of self-promotion, but here is a collection of interesting perspectives on ZPD, each someone different from the rest, and yet complementary to the rest: https://twitter.com/AnthonyMBarra/status/1225150969987469312 For what it's worth, if I had to summarize the concept in a 2-4 minute video, I believe I would fail miserably : ) Anthony On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:04 PM Wendy Maples wrote: > This is such a great project: thank you Andy and Anthony!! (Though I am > very concerned about Anthony posing Qs whilst driving -- let's have a rule > against that please ?.) > > A video on the ZPD would be very welcome, please, in particular, how > 'social interaction' might be expressed. > > All the best, > Wendy > (sitting safely on her sofa waiting for the lemon drizzle cake to bake) > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Anthony Barra > *Sent:* 12 February 2020 16:58 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > > Andy has replied, and his responses are here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > > Would anyone else like to get involved in this little video project? > > Thanks ~ > Anthony > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but after > I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have been > saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. > > I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a > video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of > Development. > > Snippets here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo > > Full video here: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx > > > I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute > to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and > probably fun for all involved. > > Thanks for the hospitality, > > Anthony > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples > wrote: > > Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' > especially! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu > on behalf of Helen Beetham > *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 > *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity > *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience > > The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. > As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some > two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After > years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an > analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit > something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed > justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and > even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and > the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between > sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist > any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material > artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or > systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the > ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - > but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of > study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and > apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. > > The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few > really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes > hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. > > In solidarity > Helen > > Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant > @helenbeetham helenb33 > helen.beetham@gmail.com > h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk > digitalthinking.org.uk > > > > > > > On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. > > And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy > topic. > > Anthony > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully > illustrate the creativity of collaboration! > > I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, rather > than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first > requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of > thought. > > Thank you! > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) of > them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: > > Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation > of development *through the eyes of an expert; > > Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world > outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these > questions be objectively answered? > Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's > economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? > > My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner > -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. > Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel > comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and > it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with > peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube > channel > , > in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been > captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. > > Thank you, > > Anthony > > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: > > I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. > > I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better > internet connection these days, too. > > Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. > > The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have > the solution. :) > > andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: > > Good evening, > > I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an > attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. > > Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: > http://tiny.cc/dra4iz > > > Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter > for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz > > > > Thank you, and have a great day. > > Anthony Barra > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200214/7d950ced/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Fri Feb 14 14:25:28 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 17:25:28 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience In-Reply-To: References: <0121304e-4f8e-3a6c-f260-dab3a22fffb7@marxists.org> <21E50CB9-3A1D-4A1E-BECC-495C3653D63F@gmail.com> Message-ID: *somewhat (not someone) On Friday, February 14, 2020, Anthony Barra wrote: > Thanks, Wendy. > > Forgive the appearance of self-promotion, but here is a collection of > interesting perspectives on ZPD, each someone different from the rest, and > yet complementary to the rest: https://twitter.com/AnthonyMBarra/status/ > 1225150969987469312 > > For what it's worth, if I had to summarize the concept in a 2-4 minute > video, I believe I would fail miserably : ) > > Anthony > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:04 PM Wendy Maples > wrote: > >> This is such a great project: thank you Andy and Anthony!! (Though I am >> very concerned about Anthony posing Qs whilst driving -- let's have a rule >> against that please ?.) >> >> A video on the ZPD would be very welcome, please, in particular, how >> 'social interaction' might be expressed. >> >> All the best, >> Wendy >> (sitting safely on her sofa waiting for the lemon drizzle cake to bake) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu >> on behalf of Anthony Barra >> *Sent:* 12 February 2020 16:58 >> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience >> >> Andy has replied, and his responses are here: https://www.youtube.com/ >> playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx >> >> >> Would anyone else like to get involved in this little video project? >> >> Thanks ~ >> Anthony >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 6:18 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> i was shocked when I saw you'd cut my 9 mins to 2 mins, Anthony, but >> after I'd watched the 2 min version, I couldn't think what I could have >> been saying for the remaining 7 mins. You are a good editor. >> >> I would appreciate it if you, Anthony, or anyone else, could send me a >> video clip of 5-15 seconds with a question to answer. >> >> Andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 11/02/2020 7:36 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Thanks to Andy for his first video response -- on the Social Situation of >> Development. >> >> Snippets here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_ >> 5W2ZfG2I-J7prbfDUK_dIlo >> >> Full video here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEK3JV1Ux_ >> 5Xu2aCKJ2iNGSvY-8wo28vx >> >> >> I will pose new questions soon -- and if anyone would like to contribute >> to the new "Answered questions" playlist, that would be great -- and >> probably fun for all involved. >> >> Thanks for the hospitality, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 6:20 AM Wendy Maples >> wrote: >> >> Likewise, I would be very pleased to have a short video on 'Topic 1' >> especially! >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu >> on behalf of Helen Beetham >> *Sent:* 07 February 2020 09:19 >> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity >> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: some videos for a general audience >> >> The two minute explainer videos are a wonderful idea. >> As a researcher I would be really interested to hear (and share) some >> two-minute, practical accounts of using CHAT in research settings. After >> years of working in the field and using (and recommending) AT as an >> analytical frame to other researchers, I?m finding that in order to submit >> something for a PhD I have to write an extraordinary long and detailed >> justification for its use, via critical theory, philosophy of language, and >> even evolutionary biology. The reason I think it?s so powerful a tool - and >> the reason I think it?s so controversial - is that it falls between >> sociological methods/explanations that tend to be hyper local and resist >> any systematic account of the relationships between agency, material >> artefacts, and cultural-historical systems - and more cybernetic or >> systematic accounts that dissolve human agency and meaning-making in the >> ?factors? and forces acting on a situation. AT comes through the middle - >> but exactly how it does that seems to me very particular to the context of >> study. I?d be interested in any thoughts or practical experiences - and >> apologise for any mistakes or naivity of my own understanding. >> >> The XMCA archives are a mine of useful discussion, but there are few >> really seminal articles - to someone not centrally involved it?s sometimes >> hard to make the link between the philosophy and the method. >> >> In solidarity >> Helen >> >> Helen Beetham, Researcher and Consultant >> @helenbeetham helenb33 >> helen.beetham@gmail.com >> h.a.beetham@wlv.ac.uk >> digitalthinking.org.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7 Feb 2020, at 01:41, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Ok, thanks Andy. Good idea. >> >> And then after that we can have another chat, if we can think of a worthy >> topic. >> >> Anthony >> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> Totally wonderful questions, Anthony, questions which beautifully >> illustrate the creativity of collaboration! >> >> I will record them on my webcam and edit them and send them to you, >> rather than doing it by Skype. Allow me a couple of weeks though. The first >> requires a thought-out concise answer, and the other 2 require a lot of >> thought. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 7/02/2020 4:34 am, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> I have two potential topics in mind, if you would find either (or both) >> of them suitable -- both with an audience of non-experts in mind: >> >> Topic 1 - a layman's explanation of the concept of *the social situation >> of development *through the eyes of an expert; >> >> Topic 2a - Thus far, what have been the worst, and the best, real-world >> outcomes from Marx's methods of analysis? Of Vygotsky's? Can these >> questions be objectively answered? >> Topic 2b - Why should - or how could - a skeptic or critic of Marx's >> economic analysis have faith in Vygotsky's psychological analysis? >> >> My motivations: for reasons I'm not totally sure of, I am a slow learner >> -- and at times feel like my understanding is progressing in reverse. >> Topic 1 is a component of cultural-historical theory I don't yet feel >> comfortable with; Topic 2 is something I personally am curious about, and >> it is also a topic I can't speak productively about in conversations with >> peers and friends. Lastly, I am motivated to continue building my youtube >> channel >> , >> in hopes that it will be a helpful resource to others who have been >> captured - and confused - by Vygotsky and his ideas. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:30 PM Andy Blunden wrote: >> >> I really like what you've done to make those two-minute quickies, Anthony. >> >> I'd be up for some more 2-minute Q&As if you are. And I've got better >> internet connection these days, too. >> >> Send me a list of topics/problems/questions and I'll pick something. >> >> The fact is: people don't watch hour-long youtube videos. Sadly. You have >> the solution. :) >> >> andy >> ------------------------------ >> *Andy Blunden* >> Hegel for Social Movements >> >> Home Page >> >> On 24/01/2020 2:20 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >> >> Good evening, >> >> I'd like to share a small project I've been working on recently, in an >> attempt to better understand Vygotsky's ideas and implications. >> >> Short clips are here, averaging about 2 minutes apiece: >> http://tiny.cc/dra4iz >> >> >> Longer ones are here, and I am very grateful to Andy, Nikolai, and Peter >> for their generosity: http://tiny.cc/bpa4iz >> >> >> >> Thank you, and have a great day. >> >> Anthony Barra >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I noticed that there is > a discussion on XMCA-I about different videos and wanted > to upload my interviews with Mike that you kindly helped > us to edit. For some reason, I seem to be temporarily out > of XMCA access, and thus I am wondering if you can help > and upload some of those links to XMCA into the current > thread. You have them all, correct? > Please let me know and thank you, > Natalia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200216/23c8e49b/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Sat Feb 15 18:47:13 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Mike Cole video interviews to be uploaded into XMCA discussion In-Reply-To: <802df7a8-c8d2-448c-13a0-069e40e4b39c@marxists.org> References: <802df7a8-c8d2-448c-13a0-069e40e4b39c@marxists.org> Message-ID: Andy and Natalia, Yes, I watched that set of interviews on YouTube last week and enjoyed all seven videos. Thank you. I will also recommend these uploads of an interesting talk titled, "Natalia Gajdamaschko on Vygotsky." All were excellent, and I especially enjoyed the section on 'cultivating crisis in the classroom.' Thank you again, Anthony On Saturday, February 15, 2020, Andy Blunden wrote: > Yes, Natalia, editing of the videos was never completed, but they are on > youtube where: > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvP1e2m-x41TV0p4tB1k-xutcePfs6cdf > > They can be viewed in the sequence in which they are displayed, rather > than the order they are numbered. > > Andy > ------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 16/02/2020 11:49 am, Natalia Gajdamaschko wrote: > > Hi Andy, > I am writing to ask for your help. I noticed that there is a discussion on > XMCA-I about different videos and wanted to upload my interviews with Mike > that you kindly helped us to edit. For some reason, I seem to be > temporarily out of XMCA access, and thus I am wondering if you can help and > upload some of those links to XMCA into the current thread. You have them > all, correct? > Please let me know and thank you, > Natalia. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200215/c72c97dc/attachment.html From andyb@marxists.org Sun Feb 16 18:43:56 2020 From: andyb@marxists.org (Andy Blunden) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:43:56 +1100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Mike Cole video interviews to be uploaded into XMCA discussion In-Reply-To: References: <802df7a8-c8d2-448c-13a0-069e40e4b39c@marxists.org> Message-ID: <88670bde-f0e4-5507-1c81-756ba33f14a9@marxists.org> Anthony, I really liked that video of Natalia's as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJiZio1JFN0 As Natalia makes clear, the message she delivers from Vygotsky is not one which is easily heard by US and others of us in the Anglosphere. But it fits nicely, I think, doesn't it, with how I responded to your question on the social situation of development. Perhaps if Wendy can record her video-question we can continue this theme with Zoped? Andy ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 16/02/2020 1:47 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: > Andy and Natalia, > > Yes, I watched that set of interviews on YouTube last week > and enjoyed all seven videos. Thank you. > > I will also recommend these uploads of an interesting talk > titled, "Natalia Gajdamaschko on Vygotsky."? All were > excellent, and I especially enjoyed the section on > 'cultivating crisis in the classroom.' > > Thank you again, > > Anthony > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020, Andy Blunden > > wrote: > > Yes, Natalia, editing of the videos was never > completed, but they are on youtube where: > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvP1e2m-x41TV0p4tB1k-xutcePfs6cdf > > > They can be viewed in the sequence in which they are > displayed, rather than the order they are numbered. > > Andy > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > *Andy Blunden* > Hegel for Social Movements > > Home Page > > On 16/02/2020 11:49 am, Natalia Gajdamaschko wrote: >> Hi Andy, >> I am writing to ask for your help. I noticed that >> there is a discussion on XMCA-I about different >> videos and wanted to upload my interviews with Mike >> that you kindly helped us to edit. For some reason, I >> seem to be temporarily out of XMCA access, and thus I >> am wondering if you can help and upload some of those >> links to XMCA into the current thread. You have them >> all, correct? >> Please let me know and thank you, >> Natalia. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have always wondered, by the way, if that is a human trait. Ed Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is. > On Feb 16, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Andy Blunden wrote: > > Anthony, I really liked that video of Natalia's as well. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJiZio1JFN0 > As Natalia makes clear, the message she delivers from Vygotsky is not one which is easily heard by US and others of us in the Anglosphere. But it fits nicely, I think, doesn't it, with how I responded to your question on the social situation of development. Perhaps if Wendy can record her video-question we can continue this theme with Zoped? > > Andy > Andy Blunden > Hegel for Social Movements > Home Page > On 16/02/2020 1:47 pm, Anthony Barra wrote: >> Andy and Natalia, >> >> Yes, I watched that set of interviews on YouTube last week and enjoyed all seven videos. Thank you. >> >> I will also recommend these uploads of an interesting talk titled, "Natalia Gajdamaschko on Vygotsky." All were excellent, and I especially enjoyed the section on 'cultivating crisis in the classroom.' >> >> Thank you again, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> On Saturday, February 15, 2020, Andy Blunden > wrote: >> Yes, Natalia, editing of the videos was never completed, but they are on youtube where: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvP1e2m-x41TV0p4tB1k-xutcePfs6cdf >> They can be viewed in the sequence in which they are displayed, rather than the order they are numbered. >> Andy >> Andy Blunden >> Hegel for Social Movements >> Home Page >> On 16/02/2020 11:49 am, Natalia Gajdamaschko wrote: >>> Hi Andy, >>> I am writing to ask for your help. I noticed that there is a discussion on XMCA-I about different videos and wanted to upload my interviews with Mike that you kindly helped us to edit. For some reason, I seem to be temporarily out of XMCA access, and thus I am wondering if you can help and upload some of those links to XMCA into the current thread. You have them all, correct? >>> Please let me know and thank you, >>> Natalia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200217/52581c72/attachment.html From anthonymbarra@gmail.com Mon Feb 24 11:22:39 2020 From: anthonymbarra@gmail.com (Anthony Barra) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:22:39 -0500 Subject: [Xmca-l] does this screed have an inkling of merit? Message-ID: To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 essay? http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and perezhivanie," two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The blog's proprietor writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar with the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay than I am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not a very refined consumer of either. The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, I ask: does any of it hit? I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. Thanks ~ Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200224/986f32ae/attachment.html From dkellogg60@gmail.com Mon Feb 24 14:59:23 2020 From: dkellogg60@gmail.com (David Kellogg) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 07:59:23 +0900 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: does this screed have an inkling of merit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are living through a public health emergency here in South Korea. I won't provide the details, which are (fortunately) even more widely available than the virus itself and (unfortunately) far more available than the F94 disposible masks we are supposed to be wearing whenever we go out. Going out is strongly discouraged, and schools, gyms, and even local government facilities remain closed. But I think that public health emergencies are actually a more useful "lens" (as people in our field like to say these days) through which to read your article than the the author's admittedly irrelevant trip to the beach. First of all, a good public health emergency like this one, or the Broad Street Pump cholera epidemic, the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the 1980s, and SARS/MERS in the early years of the present millenium) exposes in a very graphic way how inescapable the cultural-historical organization of human biological content is. Cities, churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes. Unlike viruses, markets, and imaginary libertarian/anarchist paradises populated by atomistically inclined "free-thinking individuals" opposed in principle to planned behaviors of any kind, these cultural-historical forms have the great advantage of being potentially conscious, deliberate, and purposeful--i.e. plannable. Secondly, and as a direct result, a good public health emergency like this one also evokes a cultural-historical immune response. Broad Street evoked modern immunology. AIDS/HIV evoked ACT-UP, and this had the indirect result of showiing how inextricably gay people are part of our cities, churches, college campuses and even airline industry and thus helping bring out equal marriage rights. SARS/MERS created the medical infrastructure that is starting to bring the epidemic under control even in Daegu. This morning the leader of the pro-dictatorship pro-American party had to be tested for the virus, because he sat next to the virus-positive leader of a corporatist teachers "union" in a rally; he tested negative, but not before a session of the national assembly had to be cancelled, and then he immediately called a halt to all rallies and asked people to cooperate with the medical establishment instead of travelling all over the country agitating for travel bans on Chinese people. When I was recently in the USA, I noticed (partly under the influence of having to buy short-term medical coverage for myself and my wife) that even Americans are starting to take seriously the idea that health care should not be completely marketized, that more than just preventive medicine might be usefully nationalized, collectivized, and even planned. The "Common Core" and the National Curriculum which motivates the article you sent around are both similarly American (i.e. similarly tentative and timid) steps in the realization that education might usefully follow suit. I also noticed, however, that very few Americans (including the most "left" of the current candidates for president) would be willing to see plannability extended to other necessities, such as housing, transportation, and basic necessaries of life, let alone the underlying factors of capital and labor. Education does many things, and inevitably some of the things it does can be made to look manipulative and dangerous by free-thinking and free-wheeling proponents of the free market like your author and our own pro-dictatorship pro-American party. But education remains the only cultural-historical immune response to the viral anarchy of the labor market that young people really have. David Kellogg New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. Free summarizing outlines. Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/ book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:25 AM Anthony Barra wrote: > To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, > but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 > essay? > http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ > > I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and perezhivanie," > two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The blog's proprietor > writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and > pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) > > To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar with > the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay than I > am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not a very > refined consumer of either. > > The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., > wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, > I ask: does any of it hit? > > I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. > > Thanks ~ > Anthony > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200225/385b5044/attachment.html From andyb@marxists.org Mon Feb 24 15:26:37 2020 From: andyb@marxists.org (Andy Blunden) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 10:26:37 +1100 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: [SPAM] does this screed have an inkling of merit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08622568-8b2c-ba72-224d-7027e52d81ba@marxists.org> no ------------------------------------------------------------ *Andy Blunden* Hegel for Social Movements Home Page On 25/02/2020 6:22 am, Anthony Barra wrote: > To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and > confirmation bias, but I ask sincerely: *does anybody find > any inklings of merit in this 2014 essay?* > http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ > > > I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and > perezhivanie," two terms I'm in the early stages of > understanding. The blog's proprietor writes with a lot of > . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and > pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) > > To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably > more?familiar with the (somewhat paranoid) style of > argumentation in the attached essay than I am with the > finer points of cultural-historical theory.? But I'm not a > very refined consumer of either. > > The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of > -- i.e., wielding a sword and swinging?it around wildly. > Amidst the wild swinging, I ask: *does any of it hit?* > > I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. > > Thanks ~ > Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Haydi On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I stumbled on this article today: > https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper > > On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the > paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. > > If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and > comments, I would appreciate a lot! > > Wagner > UNIRP > UNESP > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/d344b88c/attachment-0006.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/d344b88c/attachment-0007.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Haydi On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I stumbled on this article today: > https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper > > On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the > paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. > > If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and > comments, I would appreciate a lot! > > Wagner > UNIRP > UNESP > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/d344b88c/attachment-0009.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/d344b88c/attachment-0010.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will distribute as soon as I am author-ized to. mike On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei wrote: > Dear Wagner, > This is a google translation which for me is understandable. > Haydi > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit < > wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I stumbled on this article today: >> https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper >> >> On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the >> paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. >> >> If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and >> comments, I would appreciate a lot! >> >> Wagner >> UNIRP >> UNESP >> > -- Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is nothing less than defined by critique. 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I will distribute as soon as I am author-ized to. mike On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei wrote: > Dear Wagner, > This is a google translation which for me is understandable. > Haydi > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit < > wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> I stumbled on this article today: >> https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper >> >> On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the >> paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. >> >> If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and >> comments, I would appreciate a lot! >> >> Wagner >> UNIRP >> UNESP >> > -- Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is nothing less than defined by critique. 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Not only does democracy require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno --------------------------------------------------- For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other members of LCHC, visit lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/2b773c9e/attachment-0001.html From wagner.schmit@gmail.com Wed Feb 26 10:53:58 2020 From: wagner.schmit@gmail.com (Wagner Luiz Schmit) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:53:58 -0300 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you a lot Professor Cole! Wagner On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM mike cole wrote: > I believe that David Kellogg has a paper in MCA with comments on the > revisionist vygotsky studies work. > mike > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei > wrote: > >> Dear Wagner, >> This is a google translation which for me is understandable. >> Haydi >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit < >> wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> I stumbled on this article today: >>> https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper >>> >>> On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the >>> paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. >>> >>> If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and >>> comments, I would appreciate a lot! >>> >>> Wagner >>> UNIRP >>> UNESP >>> >> > > -- > Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy > require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is > nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno > --------------------------------------------------- > For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other > members of LCHC, visit > lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit > lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/3aa0ecc7/attachment.html From casa@alessandroghiro.it Wed Feb 26 12:03:29 2020 From: casa@alessandroghiro.it (Ghiro Alessandro) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 21:03:29 +0100 Subject: [Xmca-l] EPPUR... SI MUOVE. Message-ID: <000001d5ecdf$d143c7c0$73cb5740$@alessandroghiro.it> Ti invio la 'prima' impaginazione fino a pagina 18 Molte bene, ciao e buon lavoro Sandro -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The editorial is open access and summarizes very shortly the paper; David, perhaps you?d like to share the full published version in the list? Alfredo From: on behalf of Wagner Luiz Schmit Reply to: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" Date: Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 19:59 To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism Thank you a lot Professor Cole! Wagner On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM mike cole > wrote: I believe that David Kellogg has a paper in MCA with comments on the revisionist vygotsky studies work. mike On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei > wrote: Dear Wagner, This is a google translation which for me is understandable. Haydi On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit > wrote: Dear colleagues, I stumbled on this article today: https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and comments, I would appreciate a lot! Wagner UNIRP UNESP -- Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno --------------------------------------------------- For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other members of LCHC, visit lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/7a9d6fc2/attachment.html From dkellogg60@gmail.com Wed Feb 26 13:29:35 2020 From: dkellogg60@gmail.com (David Kellogg) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 06:29:35 +0900 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: De bona gana, Alberto. Not least because the published version (the eprints are still available below my signature) suffered some last-minute compression, for the which I received a somewhat irate letter from Rene himself. Interestingly, though, neither Rene nor Professor Zavershneva really addressed the argument about Vygotsky's originality. The argument about originality--not the argument about sourcing or plagiarism--was the crux of their article and also of mine. I think it's possible for the discussion to degenerate into "Vygotsky was a plagiarist" vs. "No he wasn't!". That is, actually, what a lot of the discussion over Bakhtin's work amounts to, and such a discussion would be more than a little anachronistic, because the sourcing conventions we now respect today did not exist then. But I also think the discussion of "Vygotsky was not an original thinker" vs. "Yes he was" is well worth having. First of all, it is at the very heart of whether what he founded was a genuine collective enterprise (in which we all can have a part) or simply, as Anton likes to say, "a heroic cult" (in which case the pyramid we are building is not a mountain but a tomb). Secondly, it raises all kinds of genuinely fruitful issues, like the one we were having just yesterday in John Cripps Clark's CHAR reading group in Melbourne on how Vygotsky developed the ordinary word Russian "perezhivanie" (which, as Lloyd Martin cracked, is really everyday Russian for "I got the blues!") into a unit of analysis for the ontogenesis of consciousness. So I'm attaching the penultimate version, which is slightly less compressed (word limits are a buzz-kill, but they do make life bearable for the reader). I wonder, actually, if Rene or Professor Zavershneva might want to vouchsafe a reply.... David Kellogg Sangmyung University New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i in *Mind Culture and Activity* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 Some free e-prints available at: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:58 AM Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote: > Yes, David Kellogg has just published a paper in MCA where he addresses > some of the revisionist stance in relation to questions on Vygotsky?s > originality in Thinking and Speech, particularly chapter 7. The published > version can be accessed here > https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/27/1?nav=tocList (Issue 1 2020). > The editorial is open access and summarizes very shortly the paper; David, > perhaps you?d like to share the full published version in the list? > > > > Alfredo > > > > *From: * on behalf of Wagner Luiz Schmit > > *Reply to: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > *Date: *Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 19:59 > *To: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism > > > > Thank you a lot Professor Cole! > > > > Wagner > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM mike cole wrote: > > I believe that David Kellogg has a paper in MCA with comments on the > revisionist vygotsky studies work. > > mike > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei > wrote: > > Dear Wagner, > > This is a google translation which for me is understandable. > > Haydi > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit < > wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > I stumbled on this article today: > https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper > > > > On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the > paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. > > > > If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and > comments, I would appreciate a lot! > > > > Wagner > > UNIRP > > UNESP > > > > > -- > > Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy > > require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is > > nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno > > --------------------------------------------------- > > For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other > members of LCHC, visit > > lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit > lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200227/388bce60/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have the background knowledge to fully understand these metaphors, but I think they're intriguing. And yes, we Americans tend not to be keen on excessive central planning. This was an interesting read, David. Thanks again. Even more so, I really enjoyed your Commentary here, re: 'Vygotsky's originality' (which I recommend to anyone yet to read it): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775?journalCode=hmca20 Anthony On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM David Kellogg wrote: > We are living through a public health emergency here in South Korea. I > won't provide the details, which are (fortunately) even more widely > available than the virus itself and (unfortunately) far more available than > the F94 disposible masks we are supposed to be wearing whenever we go out. > Going out is strongly discouraged, and schools, gyms, and even local > government facilities remain closed. But I think that public health > emergencies are actually a more useful "lens" (as people in our field like > to say these days) through which to read your article than the the author's > admittedly irrelevant trip to the beach. > > First of all, a good public health emergency like this one, or the Broad > Street Pump cholera epidemic, the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the 1980s, and > SARS/MERS in the early years of the present millenium) exposes in a very > graphic way how inescapable the cultural-historical organization > of human biological content is. Cities, churches, college campuses and > airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and > so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human > biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes. Unlike viruses, > markets, and imaginary libertarian/anarchist paradises populated by > atomistically inclined "free-thinking individuals" opposed in principle to > planned behaviors of any kind, these cultural-historical forms have the > great advantage of being potentially conscious, deliberate, and > purposeful--i.e. plannable. > > Secondly, and as a direct result, a good public health emergency like this > one also evokes a cultural-historical immune response. Broad Street evoked > modern immunology. AIDS/HIV evoked ACT-UP, and this had the indirect result > of showiing how inextricably gay people are part of our cities, churches, > college campuses and even airline industry and thus helping bring out equal > marriage rights. SARS/MERS created the medical infrastructure that is > starting to bring the epidemic under control even in Daegu. This morning > the leader of the pro-dictatorship pro-American party had to be tested for > the virus, because he sat next to the virus-positive leader of a > corporatist teachers "union" in a rally; he tested negative, but not before > a session of the national assembly had to be cancelled, and then he > immediately called a halt to all rallies and asked people to cooperate with > the medical establishment instead of travelling all over the country > agitating for travel bans on Chinese people. > > When I was recently in the USA, I noticed (partly under the influence of > having to buy short-term medical coverage for myself and my wife) that even > Americans are starting to take seriously the idea that health care should > not be completely marketized, that more than just preventive medicine > might be usefully nationalized, collectivized, and even planned. The > "Common Core" and the National Curriculum which motivates the article you > sent around are both similarly American (i.e. similarly tentative and > timid) steps in the realization that education might usefully follow suit. > I also noticed, however, that very few Americans (including the most "left" > of the current candidates for president) would be willing to see > plannability extended to other necessities, such as housing, > transportation, and basic necessaries of life, let alone the underlying > factors of capital and labor. Education does many things, and inevitably > some of the things it does can be made to look manipulative and dangerous > by free-thinking and free-wheeling proponents of the free market like your > author and our own pro-dictatorship pro-American party. But education > remains the only cultural-historical immune response to the viral anarchy > of the labor market that young people really have. > > David Kellogg > > New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: > > ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. > > Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. > Free summarizing outlines. > > Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > > The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/ > book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:25 AM Anthony Barra > wrote: > >> To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, >> but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 >> essay? >> http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ >> >> I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and perezhivanie," >> two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The blog's proprietor >> writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and >> pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) >> >> To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar with >> the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay than I >> am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not a very >> refined consumer of either. >> >> The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., >> wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, >> I ask: does any of it hit? >> >> I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. >> >> Thanks ~ >> Anthony >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The published > version can be accessed here > https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/27/1?nav=tocList (Issue 1 2020). > The editorial is open access and summarizes very shortly the paper; David, > perhaps you?d like to share the full published version in the list? > > > > Alfredo > > > > *From: * on behalf of Wagner Luiz Schmit > > *Reply to: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > *Date: *Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 19:59 > *To: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism > > > > Thank you a lot Professor Cole! > > > > Wagner > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM mike cole wrote: > > I believe that David Kellogg has a paper in MCA with comments on the > revisionist vygotsky studies work. > > mike > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei > wrote: > > Dear Wagner, > > This is a google translation which for me is understandable. > > Haydi > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit < > wagner.schmit@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > > > I stumbled on this article today: > https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper > > > > On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the > paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. > > > > If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and > comments, I would appreciate a lot! > > > > Wagner > > UNIRP > > UNESP > > > > > -- > > Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy > > require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is > > nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno > > --------------------------------------------------- > > For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other > members of LCHC, visit > > lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit > lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. > > > > > > -- Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno --------------------------------------------------- For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other members of LCHC, visit lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We hardly go out at all, and we are preparing to teach all of our classes from home, through the internet, in order to stop the spread of the Corona-19 virus (there is something of a political kerfuffle on what to call it, because the pro-American anti-Chinese party insists on "Wuhan Virus", while the government insists on "Corona-19"). Today the government announced that masks for going out will finally be made available at pharmacies and post-offices, but only five per customer. I don't really believe in the effectiveness of masks (they seem to work mostly by keeping you from touching your mouth and lips rather than by actually standing between you and the virus). So I mostly just stay in. >From the point of view of the virus, a body is a body is a body. But from the point of view of a teacher and even a doctor, a body is not a virus-carrying body unless it is organized into a vector of infection, and these infectious vectors look a lot like socio-cultural rather than biological organisms. Here's the situation in South Korea (and it may well come to be a situation near you sooner than you think). Until about two weeks ago, we were just like any other country--we had a few cases, but they were directly linked to people arriving from China by airline and they were easily quarantined; if anything we were better off, because we had SARS and MERS and so we'd developed a very good institutional "immune response" in the form of a very solid public health infrastructure. The death rate for C19 is extremely low (less than one percent here in Korea) so nobody was very concerned. But then there was a mysterious spike in the city of Daegu (and in fact 82 percent of the cases are still in Daegu and environs). For many days the Corona-19 cases doubled every single day, from 51 to around six hundred. This was apparently connected with a church--more of a cult, really, since the 240,000 members are secretive and believe that their leader enjoys eternal life. The leader's brother, however, did not enjoy eternal life--he died, apparently of C19, and his funeral and the hospital where he died appears to have been a major source of contagion The right wing opposition, which is largely based in Daegu and in the churches, continues to blame everything on China and demands that all arriving Chinese people be sent home. But since the budget cuts and the half-price tuition reforms were implemented by the liberal government, Korean universities have become financially dependent on Chinese foreign students. About 70,000 of them were set to arrive this week, but classes are now delayed for two weeks, and it looks like only 10,000 students will arrive in all. Korea, which supposedly has the highest index of child unhappiness on earth, was recently listed second, after Norway, among countries that allow the health and above all the education of children to flourish. But because of the collapsing birth rate here in South Korea (which is in turn linked to the high price of having, raising and educating a child) the profession of teaching is no longer a secure one. So I am often asked to teach classes which will innoculate my students against the instability of the job market. For example, last semester I co-taught a class in "Your Specialism and Start-Ups" with a friend who is a professor of business studies at Tehran University. The argument my colleague put to the student was that only about three out of our class of forty will ever manage to become teachers. But towards the end of the class he admitted that about SEVENTY PERCENT of start-ups fail within the FIRST YEAR. When you are planning a life, these statistics are much scarier than the current death rate from Corona-19. Needless to say, I argued that teaching is still your best option. But of course that's MY specialism.... David Kellogg Sangmyung University New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i in *Mind Culture and Activity* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 Some free e-prints available at: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 7:56 AM Anthony Barra wrote: > David, thank you. Extremely interesting response, including some of the > statements I can't quite follow yet, outsider that I am (e.g., "Cities, > churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which > human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through > which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless > purposes." -- Simply? e.g., "Viral anarchy of the labor market"). I > don't have the background knowledge to fully understand these metaphors, > but I think they're intriguing. > > And yes, we Americans tend not to be keen on excessive central planning. > > This was an interesting read, David. Thanks again. Even more so, I > really enjoyed your Commentary here, re: 'Vygotsky's originality' (which I > recommend to anyone yet to read it): > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775?journalCode=hmca20 > > > Anthony > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM David Kellogg > wrote: > >> We are living through a public health emergency here in South Korea. I >> won't provide the details, which are (fortunately) even more widely >> available than the virus itself and (unfortunately) far more available than >> the F94 disposible masks we are supposed to be wearing whenever we go out. >> Going out is strongly discouraged, and schools, gyms, and even local >> government facilities remain closed. But I think that public health >> emergencies are actually a more useful "lens" (as people in our field like >> to say these days) through which to read your article than the the author's >> admittedly irrelevant trip to the beach. >> >> First of all, a good public health emergency like this one, or the Broad >> Street Pump cholera epidemic, the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the 1980s, and >> SARS/MERS in the early years of the present millenium) exposes in a very >> graphic way how inescapable the cultural-historical organization >> of human biological content is. Cities, churches, college campuses and >> airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and >> so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human >> biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes. Unlike viruses, >> markets, and imaginary libertarian/anarchist paradises populated by >> atomistically inclined "free-thinking individuals" opposed in principle to >> planned behaviors of any kind, these cultural-historical forms have the >> great advantage of being potentially conscious, deliberate, and >> purposeful--i.e. plannable. >> >> Secondly, and as a direct result, a good public health emergency like >> this one also evokes a cultural-historical immune response. Broad Street >> evoked modern immunology. AIDS/HIV evoked ACT-UP, and this had the indirect >> result of showiing how inextricably gay people are part of our cities, >> churches, college campuses and even airline industry and thus helping bring >> out equal marriage rights. SARS/MERS created the medical infrastructure >> that is starting to bring the epidemic under control even in Daegu. This >> morning the leader of the pro-dictatorship pro-American party had to be >> tested for the virus, because he sat next to the virus-positive leader of a >> corporatist teachers "union" in a rally; he tested negative, but not before >> a session of the national assembly had to be cancelled, and then he >> immediately called a halt to all rallies and asked people to cooperate with >> the medical establishment instead of travelling all over the country >> agitating for travel bans on Chinese people. >> >> When I was recently in the USA, I noticed (partly under the influence of >> having to buy short-term medical coverage for myself and my wife) that even >> Americans are starting to take seriously the idea that health care should >> not be completely marketized, that more than just preventive medicine >> might be usefully nationalized, collectivized, and even planned. The >> "Common Core" and the National Curriculum which motivates the article you >> sent around are both similarly American (i.e. similarly tentative and >> timid) steps in the realization that education might usefully follow suit. >> I also noticed, however, that very few Americans (including the most "left" >> of the current candidates for president) would be willing to see >> plannability extended to other necessities, such as housing, >> transportation, and basic necessaries of life, let alone the underlying >> factors of capital and labor. Education does many things, and inevitably >> some of the things it does can be made to look manipulative and dangerous >> by free-thinking and free-wheeling proponents of the free market like your >> author and our own pro-dictatorship pro-American party. But education >> remains the only cultural-historical immune response to the viral anarchy >> of the labor market that young people really have. >> >> David Kellogg >> >> New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: >> >> ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. >> >> Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. >> Free summarizing outlines. >> >> Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 >> >> The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/ >> book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:25 AM Anthony Barra >> wrote: >> >>> To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, >>> but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 >>> essay? >>> http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ >>> >>> I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and perezhivanie," >>> two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The blog's proprietor >>> writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and >>> pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) >>> >>> To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar >>> with the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay >>> than I am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not >>> a very refined consumer of either. >>> >>> The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., >>> wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, >>> I ask: does any of it hit? >>> >>> I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. >>> >>> Thanks ~ >>> Anthony >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200227/c6c304a9/attachment.html From hshonerd@gmail.com Wed Feb 26 16:05:16 2020 From: hshonerd@gmail.com (HENRY SHONERD) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:05:16 -0700 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: does this screed have an inkling of merit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, My wife and I finally rented ?Parasite?, the first non-English movie to receive the Oscar. (I also just watched ?Indochine? in French, which got the Oscar for Katrine Deneuve, though the movie didn?t get it.) I still don?t quite understand the metaphor of the title for class divisions in Korea, but it?s almost prescient, considering the Corona-19 virus. Having watched it, I was struck by the nuclear family set-up for rich and poor, though the poor family?s children were older. Would you say that is typical, or are Korean households more multi-generational? Perhaps you are familiar with an article in the current Atlantic by David Brooks, the ?The Nuclear Family Was a Mistake?. He argues that it just isn?t a sustainable arrangement for the future. Henry > On Feb 26, 2020, at 4:28 PM, David Kellogg wrote: > > Anthony: > > Yes, it's a little hard to imagine what life is like outside "self-quarantine", much less what life is like outside South Korea just now. We hardly go out at all, and we are preparing to teach all of our classes from home, through the internet, in order to stop the spread of the Corona-19 virus (there is something of a political kerfuffle on what to call it, because the pro-American anti-Chinese party insists on "Wuhan Virus", while the government insists on "Corona-19"). Today the government announced that masks for going out will finally be made available at pharmacies and post-offices, but only five per customer. I don't really believe in the effectiveness of masks (they seem to work mostly by keeping you from touching your mouth and lips rather than by actually standing between you and the virus). So I mostly just stay in. > > From the point of view of the virus, a body is a body is a body. But from the point of view of a teacher and even a doctor, a body is not a virus-carrying body unless it is organized into a vector of infection, and these infectious vectors look a lot like socio-cultural rather than biological organisms. > > Here's the situation in South Korea (and it may well come to be a situation near you sooner than you think). Until about two weeks ago, we were just like any other country--we had a few cases, but they were directly linked to people arriving from China by airline and they were easily quarantined; if anything we were better off, because we had SARS and MERS and so we'd developed a very good institutional "immune response" in the form of a very solid public health infrastructure. The death rate for C19 is extremely low (less than one percent here in Korea) so nobody was very concerned. But then there was a mysterious spike in the city of Daegu (and in fact 82 percent of the cases are still in Daegu and environs). For many days the Corona-19 cases doubled every single day, from 51 to around six hundred. This was apparently connected with a church--more of a cult, really, since the 240,000 members are secretive and believe that their leader enjoys eternal life. The leader's brother, however, did not enjoy eternal life--he died, apparently of C19, and his funeral and the hospital where he died appears to have been a major source of contagion > > The right wing opposition, which is largely based in Daegu and in the churches, continues to blame everything on China and demands that all arriving Chinese people be sent home. But since the budget cuts and the half-price tuition reforms were implemented by the liberal government, Korean universities have become financially dependent on Chinese foreign students. About 70,000 of them were set to arrive this week, but classes are now delayed for two weeks, and it looks like only 10,000 students will arrive in all. > > Korea, which supposedly has the highest index of child unhappiness on earth, was recently listed second, after Norway, among countries that allow the health and above all the education of children to flourish. But because of the collapsing birth rate here in South Korea (which is in turn linked to the high price of having, raising and educating a child) the profession of teaching is no longer a secure one. So I am often asked to teach classes which will innoculate my students against the instability of the job market. For example, last semester I co-taught a class in "Your Specialism and Start-Ups" with a friend who is a professor of business studies at Tehran University. The argument my colleague put to the student was that only about three out of our class of forty will ever manage to become teachers. But towards the end of the class he admitted that about SEVENTY PERCENT of start-ups fail within the FIRST YEAR. When you are planning a life, these statistics are much scarier than the current death rate from Corona-19. Needless to say, I argued that teaching is still your best option. But of course that's MY specialism.... > > > David Kellogg > Sangmyung University > > New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i > in Mind Culture and Activity > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 > Some free e-prints available at: > https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 > > New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" > > https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 7:56 AM Anthony Barra > wrote: > David, thank you. Extremely interesting response, including some of the statements I can't quite follow yet, outsider that I am (e.g., "Cities, churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes." -- Simply? e.g., "Viral anarchy of the labor market"). I don't have the background knowledge to fully understand these metaphors, but I think they're intriguing. > > And yes, we Americans tend not to be keen on excessive central planning. > > This was an interesting read, David. Thanks again. Even more so, I really enjoyed your Commentary here, re: 'Vygotsky's originality' (which I recommend to anyone yet to read it): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775?journalCode=hmca20 > > Anthony > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM David Kellogg > wrote: > We are living through a public health emergency here in South Korea. I won't provide the details, which are (fortunately) even more widely available than the virus itself and (unfortunately) far more available than the F94 disposible masks we are supposed to be wearing whenever we go out. Going out is strongly discouraged, and schools, gyms, and even local government facilities remain closed. But I think that public health emergencies are actually a more useful "lens" (as people in our field like to say these days) through which to read your article than the the author's admittedly irrelevant trip to the beach. > > First of all, a good public health emergency like this one, or the Broad Street Pump cholera epidemic, the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the 1980s, and SARS/MERS in the early years of the present millenium) exposes in a very graphic way how inescapable the cultural-historical organization of human biological content is. Cities, churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes. Unlike viruses, markets, and imaginary libertarian/anarchist paradises populated by atomistically inclined "free-thinking individuals" opposed in principle to planned behaviors of any kind, these cultural-historical forms have the great advantage of being potentially conscious, deliberate, and purposeful--i.e. plannable. > > Secondly, and as a direct result, a good public health emergency like this one also evokes a cultural-historical immune response. Broad Street evoked modern immunology. AIDS/HIV evoked ACT-UP, and this had the indirect result of showiing how inextricably gay people are part of our cities, churches, college campuses and even airline industry and thus helping bring out equal marriage rights. SARS/MERS created the medical infrastructure that is starting to bring the epidemic under control even in Daegu. This morning the leader of the pro-dictatorship pro-American party had to be tested for the virus, because he sat next to the virus-positive leader of a corporatist teachers "union" in a rally; he tested negative, but not before a session of the national assembly had to be cancelled, and then he immediately called a halt to all rallies and asked people to cooperate with the medical establishment instead of travelling all over the country agitating for travel bans on Chinese people. > > When I was recently in the USA, I noticed (partly under the influence of having to buy short-term medical coverage for myself and my wife) that even Americans are starting to take seriously the idea that health care should not be completely marketized, that more than just preventive medicine might be usefully nationalized, collectivized, and even planned. The "Common Core" and the National Curriculum which motivates the article you sent around are both similarly American (i.e. similarly tentative and timid) steps in the realization that education might usefully follow suit. I also noticed, however, that very few Americans (including the most "left" of the current candidates for president) would be willing to see plannability extended to other necessities, such as housing, transportation, and basic necessaries of life, let alone the underlying factors of capital and labor. Education does many things, and inevitably some of the things it does can be made to look manipulative and dangerous by free-thinking and free-wheeling proponents of the free market like your author and our own pro-dictatorship pro-American party. But education remains the only cultural-historical immune response to the viral anarchy of the labor market that young people really have. > > David Kellogg > New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: > > ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. > > Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. > > Free summarizing outlines. > Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:25 AM Anthony Barra > wrote: > To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 essay? http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ > > I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and perezhivanie," two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The blog's proprietor writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) > > To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar with the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay than I am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not a very refined consumer of either. > > The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, I ask: does any of it hit? > > I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. > > Thanks ~ > Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/d54d4642/attachment.html From hshonerd@gmail.com Wed Feb 26 16:13:30 2020 From: hshonerd@gmail.com (HENRY SHONERD) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:13:30 -0700 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: does this screed have an inkling of merit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36E0EC46-FE37-423D-A9FF-668D5DF48127@gmail.com> I should have added that ?Indochine? was made in 1991! I loved it. I?m still not sure how I feel about ?Parasite?. Maybe I just like epic films?heroic and all that. > On Feb 26, 2020, at 4:28 PM, David Kellogg wrote: > > Anthony: > > Yes, it's a little hard to imagine what life is like outside "self-quarantine", much less what life is like outside South Korea just now. We hardly go out at all, and we are preparing to teach all of our classes from home, through the internet, in order to stop the spread of the Corona-19 virus (there is something of a political kerfuffle on what to call it, because the pro-American anti-Chinese party insists on "Wuhan Virus", while the government insists on "Corona-19"). Today the government announced that masks for going out will finally be made available at pharmacies and post-offices, but only five per customer. I don't really believe in the effectiveness of masks (they seem to work mostly by keeping you from touching your mouth and lips rather than by actually standing between you and the virus). So I mostly just stay in. > > From the point of view of the virus, a body is a body is a body. But from the point of view of a teacher and even a doctor, a body is not a virus-carrying body unless it is organized into a vector of infection, and these infectious vectors look a lot like socio-cultural rather than biological organisms. > > Here's the situation in South Korea (and it may well come to be a situation near you sooner than you think). Until about two weeks ago, we were just like any other country--we had a few cases, but they were directly linked to people arriving from China by airline and they were easily quarantined; if anything we were better off, because we had SARS and MERS and so we'd developed a very good institutional "immune response" in the form of a very solid public health infrastructure. The death rate for C19 is extremely low (less than one percent here in Korea) so nobody was very concerned. But then there was a mysterious spike in the city of Daegu (and in fact 82 percent of the cases are still in Daegu and environs). For many days the Corona-19 cases doubled every single day, from 51 to around six hundred. This was apparently connected with a church--more of a cult, really, since the 240,000 members are secretive and believe that their leader enjoys eternal life. The leader's brother, however, did not enjoy eternal life--he died, apparently of C19, and his funeral and the hospital where he died appears to have been a major source of contagion > > The right wing opposition, which is largely based in Daegu and in the churches, continues to blame everything on China and demands that all arriving Chinese people be sent home. But since the budget cuts and the half-price tuition reforms were implemented by the liberal government, Korean universities have become financially dependent on Chinese foreign students. About 70,000 of them were set to arrive this week, but classes are now delayed for two weeks, and it looks like only 10,000 students will arrive in all. > > Korea, which supposedly has the highest index of child unhappiness on earth, was recently listed second, after Norway, among countries that allow the health and above all the education of children to flourish. But because of the collapsing birth rate here in South Korea (which is in turn linked to the high price of having, raising and educating a child) the profession of teaching is no longer a secure one. So I am often asked to teach classes which will innoculate my students against the instability of the job market. For example, last semester I co-taught a class in "Your Specialism and Start-Ups" with a friend who is a professor of business studies at Tehran University. The argument my colleague put to the student was that only about three out of our class of forty will ever manage to become teachers. But towards the end of the class he admitted that about SEVENTY PERCENT of start-ups fail within the FIRST YEAR. When you are planning a life, these statistics are much scarier than the current death rate from Corona-19. Needless to say, I argued that teaching is still your best option. But of course that's MY specialism.... > > > David Kellogg > Sangmyung University > > New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i > in Mind Culture and Activity > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 > Some free e-prints available at: > https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 > > New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" > > https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 7:56 AM Anthony Barra > wrote: > David, thank you. Extremely interesting response, including some of the statements I can't quite follow yet, outsider that I am (e.g., "Cities, churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes." -- Simply? e.g., "Viral anarchy of the labor market"). I don't have the background knowledge to fully understand these metaphors, but I think they're intriguing. > > And yes, we Americans tend not to be keen on excessive central planning. > > This was an interesting read, David. Thanks again. Even more so, I really enjoyed your Commentary here, re: 'Vygotsky's originality' (which I recommend to anyone yet to read it): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775?journalCode=hmca20 > > Anthony > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM David Kellogg > wrote: > We are living through a public health emergency here in South Korea. I won't provide the details, which are (fortunately) even more widely available than the virus itself and (unfortunately) far more available than the F94 disposible masks we are supposed to be wearing whenever we go out. Going out is strongly discouraged, and schools, gyms, and even local government facilities remain closed. But I think that public health emergencies are actually a more useful "lens" (as people in our field like to say these days) through which to read your article than the the author's admittedly irrelevant trip to the beach. > > First of all, a good public health emergency like this one, or the Broad Street Pump cholera epidemic, the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the 1980s, and SARS/MERS in the early years of the present millenium) exposes in a very graphic way how inescapable the cultural-historical organization of human biological content is. Cities, churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes. Unlike viruses, markets, and imaginary libertarian/anarchist paradises populated by atomistically inclined "free-thinking individuals" opposed in principle to planned behaviors of any kind, these cultural-historical forms have the great advantage of being potentially conscious, deliberate, and purposeful--i.e. plannable. > > Secondly, and as a direct result, a good public health emergency like this one also evokes a cultural-historical immune response. Broad Street evoked modern immunology. AIDS/HIV evoked ACT-UP, and this had the indirect result of showiing how inextricably gay people are part of our cities, churches, college campuses and even airline industry and thus helping bring out equal marriage rights. SARS/MERS created the medical infrastructure that is starting to bring the epidemic under control even in Daegu. This morning the leader of the pro-dictatorship pro-American party had to be tested for the virus, because he sat next to the virus-positive leader of a corporatist teachers "union" in a rally; he tested negative, but not before a session of the national assembly had to be cancelled, and then he immediately called a halt to all rallies and asked people to cooperate with the medical establishment instead of travelling all over the country agitating for travel bans on Chinese people. > > When I was recently in the USA, I noticed (partly under the influence of having to buy short-term medical coverage for myself and my wife) that even Americans are starting to take seriously the idea that health care should not be completely marketized, that more than just preventive medicine might be usefully nationalized, collectivized, and even planned. The "Common Core" and the National Curriculum which motivates the article you sent around are both similarly American (i.e. similarly tentative and timid) steps in the realization that education might usefully follow suit. I also noticed, however, that very few Americans (including the most "left" of the current candidates for president) would be willing to see plannability extended to other necessities, such as housing, transportation, and basic necessaries of life, let alone the underlying factors of capital and labor. Education does many things, and inevitably some of the things it does can be made to look manipulative and dangerous by free-thinking and free-wheeling proponents of the free market like your author and our own pro-dictatorship pro-American party. But education remains the only cultural-historical immune response to the viral anarchy of the labor market that young people really have. > > David Kellogg > New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: > > ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. > > Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. > > Free summarizing outlines. > Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 > > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:25 AM Anthony Barra > wrote: > To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 essay? http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ > > I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and perezhivanie," two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The blog's proprietor writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a cocktail of hubris and pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) > > To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar with the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay than I am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not a very refined consumer of either. > > The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, I ask: does any of it hit? > > I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. > > Thanks ~ > Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200226/06bc6147/attachment.html From glassman.13@osu.edu Thu Feb 27 11:03:09 2020 From: glassman.13@osu.edu (Glassman, Michael) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:03:09 +0000 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to throw this out there, there are some Stanislavski scholars who do not think perizhivanei was not just an ordinary Russian word. At least a couple think it was one of the most powerful words of the late 19th ? early 20th century. According to their argument is was critical to Tolstoy and many of the other Russian Romantics (when these scholars talk about perezhivanyie they refer back to some of the authors Vygotsky uses in Thinking and Speech). For them the concept is related to an emotionally propelled search for truth. Pierre in War and Peace was perezhivanei. I went back I read the episode between Kitty and Levin in chapter 7, indeed much of chapter 7 thinking about this. Perezhivanei was in Stanislavski?s original sub-title to an Actor Prepares, which was removed when it was published in English. I don?t know why, nobody seems to. According to a couple of people at least Stanislavski changed the concept to an emotionally driven, collaborative (not a good enough word) search for truth, but that truth itself was contextual. I kind of think that at least Vygotsky was partially using Stanislavski?s ideas rather than more distant or philosophical bases. On the Problem of Psychology of an actor?s creative work, which right now I think is the place where Vygotsky best defines the concept, can in some ways be seen as complimentary to Stanislavski?s ?An Actor Prepares? where he talks about perezhivanie (this is supposed to be something of an autobiographical work for Stanislavski which makes this even more interesting). It also makes sense that this would be influencing Vygotsky historically because ?An Actor Prepares? comes just a short time before pereshivanyie became a more important concept in Vygotsky?s writings (it is really interesting to see the evolution of the concept from Psychology of Art to I read some of the articles (not all) from the Psychology of Art to Psychology of the Actor?s creative work. The article by Veresov and Fleer discuss drama quite a bit, but don?t draw it back to the theatrical roots. Anybody take this route? Would there by any reason to suggest this was not what Vygotsky was up to (not to say it was, just that it was a possibility?) This is particularly interesting to me because it is part of a model I and some colleagues are building focusing on development through peer dialogue. As for whether Vygotsky was a plagiarist or whatever. I wonder if he would just say, ?who cares?? Our obsession with the ownership of ideas is kind of an artefact of second half of twentieth century academia I think. Anyway, any insights would be appreciated. Michael From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu On Behalf Of David Kellogg Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:30 PM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity ; zavr71@yandex.ru; Veer, R. van der Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism De bona gana, Alberto. Not least because the published version (the eprints are still available below my signature) suffered some last-minute compression, for the which I received a somewhat irate letter from Rene himself. Interestingly, though, neither Rene nor Professor Zavershneva really addressed the argument about Vygotsky's originality. The argument about originality--not the argument about sourcing or plagiarism--was the crux of their article and also of mine. I think it's possible for the discussion to degenerate into "Vygotsky was a plagiarist" vs. "No he wasn't!". That is, actually, what a lot of the discussion over Bakhtin's work amounts to, and such a discussion would be more than a little anachronistic, because the sourcing conventions we now respect today did not exist then. But I also think the discussion of "Vygotsky was not an original thinker" vs. "Yes he was" is well worth having. First of all, it is at the very heart of whether what he founded was a genuine collective enterprise (in which we all can have a part) or simply, as Anton likes to say, "a heroic cult" (in which case the pyramid we are building is not a mountain but a tomb). Secondly, it raises all kinds of genuinely fruitful issues, like the one we were having just yesterday in John Cripps Clark's CHAR reading group in Melbourne on how Vygotsky developed the ordinary word Russian "perezhivanie" (which, as Lloyd Martin cracked, is really everyday Russian for "I got the blues!") into a unit of analysis for the ontogenesis of consciousness. So I'm attaching the penultimate version, which is slightly less compressed (word limits are a buzz-kill, but they do make life bearable for the reader). I wonder, actually, if Rene or Professor Zavershneva might want to vouchsafe a reply.... David Kellogg Sangmyung University New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i in Mind Culture and Activity https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 Some free e-prints available at: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:58 AM Alfredo Jornet Gil > wrote: Yes, David Kellogg has just published a paper in MCA where he addresses some of the revisionist stance in relation to questions on Vygotsky?s originality in Thinking and Speech, particularly chapter 7. The published version can be accessed here https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/27/1?nav=tocList (Issue 1 2020). The editorial is open access and summarizes very shortly the paper; David, perhaps you?d like to share the full published version in the list? Alfredo From: > on behalf of Wagner Luiz Schmit > Reply to: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > Date: Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 19:59 To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism Thank you a lot Professor Cole! Wagner On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM mike cole > wrote: I believe that David Kellogg has a paper in MCA with comments on the revisionist vygotsky studies work. mike On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei > wrote: Dear Wagner, This is a google translation which for me is understandable. Haydi On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit > wrote: Dear colleagues, I stumbled on this article today: https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper On the academia.edu page there is an English abstract, but since the paper is in Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some highlights and comments, I would appreciate a lot! Wagner UNIRP UNESP -- Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno --------------------------------------------------- For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other members of LCHC, visit lchc.ucsd.edu. For a narrative history of the research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200227/588500f1/attachment.html From dkellogg60@gmail.com Thu Feb 27 13:10:53 2020 From: dkellogg60@gmail.com (David Kellogg) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 06:10:53 +0900 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: does this screed have an inkling of merit? In-Reply-To: <36E0EC46-FE37-423D-A9FF-668D5DF48127@gmail.com> References: <36E0EC46-FE37-423D-A9FF-668D5DF48127@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Henry. I haven't seen either. To tell you the truth, I never watch movies unless people are singing, preferably in Chinese or Italian. I have a bad reaction to film violence and can't even sit through Puccini's Tosca because of the torture scene. To pick up a little on Michael Glassmann's point: there are a few places in "Pedology of the Adolescent" where Vygotsky speaks of perezhivanie WITHOUT EXPERIENCE, e.g. the sexualized perezhivanie of the adolescent-virgin. For all of us, the concept of death is such a perezhivanie, and for most of us so is the concept of violence: it is something accessible through art but not otherwise. Contrariwise, in his chapter on the pedology of infancy, we get "perezhivanie" as the experience of the child nursing at his or her mother's breast and the satisfaction that seems almost, but not quite, inseparable (because if it were inseparable, we would not have pacifiers). So perhaps one of things that happens as perezhivanie develops is that the experiential component becomes less and less important and the textual processing of it becomes more and more so. Next semester I am teaching a class on jazz. One of the most useful works I have found in preparing is actually Toni Morrison's novel of that name. It's violent and has very little actual jazz in it, but it forms the "Purgatorio" volume in her "Divine Comedy" ("Beloved", "Jazz", and "Paradise"). I need to try to convey to the kids the sense that jazz is really not cool now--it's the equivalent of the "trot" music that old people listen to in Korea. But I also need to convey to them how it represented a critical struggle to rise from the blues at one time and how it led to...what? Motown? Hip-hop? The problem is that there isn't really any third volume to speak of. Yet. David Kellogg Sangmyung University New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and Word" i in *Mind Culture and Activity* https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 Some free e-prints available at: https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 unless all the characters are singing in Italian instead of speaking On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:16 AM HENRY SHONERD wrote: > I should have added that ?Indochine? was made in 1991! I loved it. I?m > still not sure how I feel about ?Parasite?. Maybe I just like epic > films?heroic and all that. > > On Feb 26, 2020, at 4:28 PM, David Kellogg wrote: > > Anthony: > > Yes, it's a little hard to imagine what life is like outside > "self-quarantine", much less what life is like outside South Korea just > now. We hardly go out at all, and we are preparing to teach all of our > classes from home, through the internet, in order to stop the spread of the > Corona-19 virus (there is something of a political kerfuffle on what to > call it, because the pro-American anti-Chinese party insists on "Wuhan > Virus", while the government insists on "Corona-19"). Today the government > announced that masks for going out will finally be made available at > pharmacies and post-offices, but only five per customer. I don't really > believe in the effectiveness of masks (they seem to work mostly by keeping > you from touching your mouth and lips rather than by actually standing > between you and the virus). So I mostly just stay in. > > From the point of view of the virus, a body is a body is a body. But from > the point of view of a teacher and even a doctor, a body is not a > virus-carrying body unless it is organized into a vector of infection, and > these infectious vectors look a lot like socio-cultural rather than > biological organisms. > > Here's the situation in South Korea (and it may well come to be a > situation near you sooner than you think). Until about two weeks ago, we > were just like any other country--we had a few cases, but they were > directly linked to people arriving from China by airline and they were > easily quarantined; if anything we were better off, because we had SARS and > MERS and so we'd developed a very good institutional "immune response" in > the form of a very solid public health infrastructure. The death rate for > C19 is extremely low (less than one percent here in Korea) so nobody was > very concerned. But then there was a mysterious spike in the city of Daegu > (and in fact 82 percent of the cases are still in Daegu and environs). > For many days the Corona-19 cases doubled every single day, from 51 to > around six hundred. This was apparently connected with a church--more of a > cult, really, since the 240,000 members are secretive and believe that > their leader enjoys eternal life. The leader's brother, however, did not > enjoy eternal life--he died, apparently of C19, and his funeral and the > hospital where he died appears to have been a major source of contagion > > The right wing opposition, which is largely based in Daegu and in the > churches, continues to blame everything on China and demands that all > arriving Chinese people be sent home. But since the budget cuts and > the half-price tuition reforms were implemented by the liberal government, > Korean universities have become financially dependent on Chinese foreign > students. About 70,000 of them were set to arrive this week, but classes > are now delayed for two weeks, and it looks like only 10,000 students will > arrive in all. > > Korea, which supposedly has the highest index of child unhappiness on > earth, was recently listed second, after Norway, among countries that allow > the health and above all the education of children to flourish. But because > of the collapsing birth rate here in South Korea (which is in turn linked > to the high price of having, raising and educating a child) the profession > of teaching is no longer a secure one. So I am often asked to teach classes > which will innoculate my students against the instability of the job > market. For example, last semester I co-taught a class in "Your Specialism > and Start-Ups" with a friend who is a professor of business studies at > Tehran University. The argument my colleague put to the student was that > only about three out of our class of forty will ever manage to become > teachers. But towards the end of the class he admitted that about SEVENTY > PERCENT of start-ups fail within the FIRST YEAR. When you are planning a > life, these statistics are much scarier than the current death rate from > Corona-19. Needless to say, I argued that teaching is still your best > option. But of course that's MY specialism.... > > > David Kellogg > Sangmyung University > > New Article: 'Commentary: On the originality of Vygotsky's "Thought and > Word" i > in *Mind Culture and Activity* > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 > Some free e-prints available at: > > https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/SK2DR3TYBMJ42MFPYRFY/full?target=10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775 > > New Translation with Nikolai Veresov: "L.S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works > Volume One: Foundations of Pedology" > > https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 > > > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 7:56 AM Anthony Barra > wrote: > >> David, thank you. Extremely interesting response, including some of the >> statements I can't quite follow yet, outsider that I am (e.g., "Cities, >> churches, college campuses and airline companies are simply the forms which >> human biology have taken, and so they are inevitably the conduits through >> which viruses reorganize human biology for their own apparently purposeless >> purposes." -- Simply? e.g., "Viral anarchy of the labor market"). I >> don't have the background knowledge to fully understand these metaphors, >> but I think they're intriguing. >> >> And yes, we Americans tend not to be keen on excessive central planning. >> >> This was an interesting read, David. Thanks again. Even more so, I >> really enjoyed your Commentary here, re: 'Vygotsky's originality' (which I >> recommend to anyone yet to read it): >> https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10749039.2020.1711775?journalCode=hmca20 >> >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:06 PM David Kellogg >> wrote: >> >>> We are living through a public health emergency here in South Korea. I >>> won't provide the details, which are (fortunately) even more widely >>> available than the virus itself and (unfortunately) far more available than >>> the F94 disposible masks we are supposed to be wearing whenever we go out. >>> Going out is strongly discouraged, and schools, gyms, and even local >>> government facilities remain closed. But I think that public health >>> emergencies are actually a more useful "lens" (as people in our field like >>> to say these days) through which to read your article than the the author's >>> admittedly irrelevant trip to the beach. >>> >>> First of all, a good public health emergency like this one, or the Broad >>> Street Pump cholera epidemic, the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the 1980s, and >>> SARS/MERS in the early years of the present millenium) exposes in a very >>> graphic way how inescapable the cultural-historical organization >>> of human biological content is. Cities, churches, college campuses and >>> airline companies are simply the forms which human biology have taken, and >>> so they are inevitably the conduits through which viruses reorganize human >>> biology for their own apparently purposeless purposes. Unlike viruses, >>> markets, and imaginary libertarian/anarchist paradises populated by >>> atomistically inclined "free-thinking individuals" opposed in principle to >>> planned behaviors of any kind, these cultural-historical forms have the >>> great advantage of being potentially conscious, deliberate, and >>> purposeful--i.e. plannable. >>> >>> Secondly, and as a direct result, a good public health emergency like >>> this one also evokes a cultural-historical immune response. Broad Street >>> evoked modern immunology. AIDS/HIV evoked ACT-UP, and this had the indirect >>> result of showiing how inextricably gay people are part of our cities, >>> churches, college campuses and even airline industry and thus helping bring >>> out equal marriage rights. SARS/MERS created the medical infrastructure >>> that is starting to bring the epidemic under control even in Daegu. This >>> morning the leader of the pro-dictatorship pro-American party had to be >>> tested for the virus, because he sat next to the virus-positive leader of a >>> corporatist teachers "union" in a rally; he tested negative, but not before >>> a session of the national assembly had to be cancelled, and then he >>> immediately called a halt to all rallies and asked people to cooperate with >>> the medical establishment instead of travelling all over the country >>> agitating for travel bans on Chinese people. >>> >>> When I was recently in the USA, I noticed (partly under the influence of >>> having to buy short-term medical coverage for myself and my wife) that even >>> Americans are starting to take seriously the idea that health care should >>> not be completely marketized, that more than just preventive medicine >>> might be usefully nationalized, collectivized, and even planned. The >>> "Common Core" and the National Curriculum which motivates the article you >>> sent around are both similarly American (i.e. similarly tentative and >>> timid) steps in the realization that education might usefully follow suit. >>> I also noticed, however, that very few Americans (including the most "left" >>> of the current candidates for president) would be willing to see >>> plannability extended to other necessities, such as housing, >>> transportation, and basic necessaries of life, let alone the underlying >>> factors of capital and labor. Education does many things, and inevitably >>> some of the things it does can be made to look manipulative and dangerous >>> by free-thinking and free-wheeling proponents of the free market like your >>> author and our own pro-dictatorship pro-American party. But education >>> remains the only cultural-historical immune response to the viral anarchy >>> of the labor market that young people really have. >>> >>> David Kellogg >>> >>> New co-translation, with Nikolai Veresov: >>> >>> ?L. S. Vygotsky's Pedological Works: Volume 1. Foundations of Pedology?. >>> >>> Free downloadable PDF with introductory essay, concluding essay. >>> Free summarizing outlines. >>> >>> Book product page: https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9789811505270 >>> >>> The eBook is available here: https://link.springer.com/ >>> book/10.1007%2F978-981-15-0528-7 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:25 AM Anthony Barra >>> wrote: >>> >>>> To me, it seems a product of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias, >>>> but I ask sincerely: does anybody find any inklings of merit in this 2014 >>>> essay? >>>> http://invisibleserfscollar.com/unveiling-the-true-focus-of-the-common-core-obuchenie-within-students-to-gain-desired-future-behaviors/ >>>> >>>> I stumbled upon the article while googling "obuchenie and >>>> perezhivanie," two terms I'm in the early stages of understanding. The >>>> blog's proprietor writes with a lot of . . . energy. (And perhaps, a >>>> cocktail of hubris and pseudoconcepts - http://tiny.cc/dpbgkz ) >>>> >>>> To briefly add, for whatever it's worth: I am probably more familiar >>>> with the (somewhat paranoid) style of argumentation in the attached essay >>>> than I am with the finer points of cultural-historical theory. But I'm not >>>> a very refined consumer of either. >>>> >>>> The blogger writes in a style I'm not particularly fond of -- i.e., >>>> wielding a sword and swinging it around wildly. Amidst the wild swinging, >>>> I ask: does any of it hit? >>>> >>>> I'd be interesting in any productive thoughts at all. >>>> >>>> Thanks ~ >>>> Anthony >>>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/xmca-l/attachments/20200228/4756c664/attachment.html From robsub@ariadne.org.uk Fri Feb 28 08:34:00 2020 From: robsub@ariadne.org.uk (robsub@ariadne.org.uk) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 16:34:00 +0000 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2dc819fd-35c2-0029-dce9-904efac3aa15@ariadne.org.uk> Reading the Akhutina document proved very thought provoking. (I wish I could have another entire life to devote to researching things I really want to research instead of those I actually did.) One short sentence intrigued me, and I would like to check out exactly what it means. "All other references to Vygotsky placed in the index are given in the "chain" of authors, that is, again "undercover"". How did this process of naming undercover work? And what exactly is meant by "chain" (or as the original had it "chainclip")? Rob On 26/02/2020 23:10, mike cole wrote: > rough text > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM Alfredo Jornet Gil > > wrote: > > Yes, David Kellogg has just published a paper in MCA where he > addresses some of the revisionist stance in relation to questions > on Vygotsky?s originality in Thinking and Speech, particularly > chapter 7. The published version can be accessed here > https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/hmca20/27/1?nav=tocList(Issue 1 > 2020). The editorial is open access and summarizes very shortly > the paper; David, perhaps you?d like to share the full published > version in the list? > > Alfredo > > *From: * > on behalf of Wagner Luiz > Schmit > > *Reply to: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > > > *Date: *Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 19:59 > *To: *"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" > > *Subject: *[Xmca-l] Re: Critic of revisionism > > Thank you a lot Professor Cole! > > Wagner > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM mike cole > wrote: > > I believe that David Kellogg has a paper in MCA with comments > on the revisionist vygotsky studies work. > > mike > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:33 AM Haydi Zulfei > > wrote: > > Dear Wagner, > > This is a google translation which for me is understandable. > > Haydi > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM Wagner Luiz Schmit > > > wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > I stumbled on this article today: > https://www.academia.edu/42048817/On_revisionism_in_Vygotskian_science._Commentary_on_In_August_of_1941_by_Yasnitsky_and_Lamdan_2017_?email_work_card=view-paper > > On the academia.edu page there > is an English abstract, but since the paper is in > Russian I can't read it and get to know the details. > > If anyone knows of a translation or want to make some > highlights and comments, I would appreciate a lot! > > Wagner > > UNIRP > > UNESP > > > -- > > Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy > > require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. > Democracy is > > nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno > > --------------------------------------------------- > > For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and > other members of LCHC, visit > > lchc.ucsd.edu . For a narrative history > of the research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu > . > > > > -- > Critique is essential to all democracy. Not only does democracy > require the freedom to criticize and need critical impulses. Democracy is > nothing less than defined by critique. T.Adorno > --------------------------------------------------- > For archival resources relevant to the research of myself and other > members of LCHC, visit > lchc.ucsd.edu . For a narrative history of the > research of LCHC, visit lchcautobio.ucsd.edu > . > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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