[Xmca-l] Re: "conscious awareness enters through the gate" (a Participation Question)

Andy Blunden andyb@marxists.org
Fri Aug 14 08:31:30 PDT 2020


No David, as I said, the term "scientific concept" as it is 
understood nowadays, tends to mislead. The distinction for 
Vygotsky is entirely, as you say, /developmental/, and it is 
not a categorisation either (as in putting things into 
boxes), and nothing to do with "sophistication." "Scientific 
concept" refers to the path of development that begins with 
an abstract (decontextualised) concept acquired through 
instruction in some more or less formal institution. 
"Spontaneous concept" refers to the path of development 
which begins with everyday experience, closely connected 
with immediate sensori-motor interaction and perception, 
i.e., it begins from the concrete, whereas the "scientific" 
is beginning from the abstract.

Any "actual" concept is the intersection or merging of both 
the scientific and spontaneous path. For example (1) 
everyday life is full of ideas which have their source in 
institutions, but have made their way out of the 
institutional context into everyday life. On the other hand, 
for example (2) any scientific concept worth its salt has 
made its way out of the classroom and become connected with 
practice, like the book-learning of the medical graduate 
who's spent 6 months in A&E.

I admit, this is not clear from Vygotsky's prose. But here's 
the thing: when you're reading a great thinker and what 
they're saying seems silly, trying reading it more 
generously, because there's probably a reason this writer 
has gained the reputation of being a great thinker.

Andy

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On 15/08/2020 1:14 am, David H Kirshner wrote:
>
> Thanks for your accessible example, Michael.
>
> Vygotsky’s scientific / spontaneous distinction between 
> types of concepts has always struck me as such an 
> unfortunate solution to the problem of differential 
> sophistication in modes of reasoning. I’m sure this 
> problem must have deep roots in classical and contemporary 
> philosophy, even as it is reflected in cognitive 
> psychology’s Dual Process Theory that at its “theoretical 
> core amounts to a dichotomous view of two types of 
> processes…: type 1—intuitive, fast, automatic, 
> nonconscious, effortless, contextualized, error-prone, and 
> type 2—reflective, slow, deliberate, cogitative, 
> effortful, decontextualized, normatively correct” (Varga & 
> Hamburger, 2014). What externalizing this distinction as 
> different kinds of cognitive products (this or that kind 
> of concept) seems to do is distract/detract from the 
> sociogenetic character of development. Surely, a 
> sociogenetic approach seeks to interpret these different 
> forms of reasoning as differential discursive practices, 
> embedded in different cultural contexts (Scribner, Cole, 
> etc.). But talking about different kinds of concepts seems 
> like the wrong departure point for that journey.
>
> David
>
> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> *On Behalf Of *Glassman, 
> Michael
> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2020 7:03 AM
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: "conscious awareness enters 
> through the gate" (a Participation Question)
>
> Hi Andy, Henry, Anna Lisa,
>
> Let me start by saying that this is completely restricted 
> to the way conscious awareness is used in Thinking and 
> Speech. If it is use differently in other places this 
> perspective may be wrong. To my mind (with the proviso 
> that my mind if often wrong) Vygotsky is using the idea of 
> conscious awareness for a specific purpose. To 
> differentiate the role of spontaneous concepts with 
> non-spontaneous concepts. Spontaneous concepts are based 
> initially in affective memory and they give energy and 
> motivation to many of our activities. However we are not 
> consciously aware of them. To go back to chess, I am at 
> the pool and my friend comes up to me and says “Chess?” I 
> say yes. I have no conscious awareness of the concept of 
> chess in my life, why I say yes so easily why it may be a 
> way to make a social connection between me and my friend. 
> It is residue of my affective memory (I don’t know how 
> much Vygotsky was using Ribot when making this argument). 
> We are playing chess and I remember that my brother showed 
> me the non-spontaneous/scientific concept of the bishop’s 
> gambit. As this point in my life I have to think about it 
> and whether I want to use it. I must summon the 
> intellectual functions of memory and attention as I think 
> about the use of the bishop’s gambit. This then is 
> conscious awareness of the scientific concept. I used the 
> bishop’s gambit and win the game and I applaud myself. I 
> got home and tell my brother, the bishop’s gambit was 
> great, thanks. I am mediating the scientific concept of 
> the bishop’s gambit with my everyday concept of playing 
> chess. Voila, development!!!!
>
> I don’t know if Vygotsky uses conscious awareness 
> differently elsewhere.
>
> Michael
>
> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> 
> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
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> *Andy Blunden
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: "conscious awareness enters 
> through the gate" (a Participation Question)
>
> Henry, my aim was just to introduce Annalisa and whoever 
> to the scientific way that the terms "conscious awareness" 
> and "consciousness" are used in CHAT. I say "scientific" 
> in the sense that in CHAT we have a system of concepts and 
> associated word meanings which have, if you like, 
> conventional meanings. There is nothing wrong with 
> "automatic and controlled processing" and "ballistic 
> processing" but so far as I am aware these terms were not 
> in Vygotsky's vocabulary. I could be wrong of course and I 
> am sure I will be rapidly corrected if this is the case.
>
> Andy
>
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>
> On 14/08/2020 1:36 pm, HENRY SHONERD wrote:
>
>     Andy,
>
>     I think of what you described as automatic and
>     controlled processing. Automatic processing (also
>     called ballistic) requires little or no attentional
>     resources. Controlled processes, on the other hand,
>     take up a lot of attention. When you’re learning
>     something, it can easily overload attentional
>     capacity. One aspect of learning or scaffolding the
>     learning of another is to know the right combination
>     of controlled and automatic processing. I think this
>     relates to Vygotsky’s Zoped. You quoted Hegel a while
>     back about mathematical thinking that captures this
>     distinction very well.
>
>     Henry
>
>         On Aug 13, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Andy Blunden
>         <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>>
>         wrote:
>
>         Annalisa, for Marxists, "consciousness" is a very
>         broad term covering what mediates between
>         physiology and behaviour, the totality of mental
>         processes in an individual organism, whether
>         sleeping or awake.
>
>         "Conscious awareness" on the other hand refers to
>         knowing and attending to what you are doing at the
>         time. A couple of classic examples will
>         illustrate. When you're walking down the street
>         you do not have conscious awareness of how yor
>         foot is laying itself flat on the footpath, how
>         your body is overbalancing slightly forwards and
>         your other leg swinging slightly outward and
>         bending as you bring it forward, etc. ... but if
>         for example you step over a kerb and having
>         underestimated the depth of the step and
>         momentarily losing you balance, your walking
>         suddenly springs back into conscious awareness and
>         you look down at the ground, and take conscious
>         control of your balance, etc.
>         On the other hand, consider when a child is first
>         learning to tie their own shoelaces; let's suppose
>         they have been taught the rabbit ears method. The
>         child says to herself "make the rabbit ears ...
>         this one ...  that one ... cross over ... put
>         through the hole ...  grab it .,. and PULL IT
>         TIGHT! Yeh!" That is, she tied her laces with
>         conscious awareness, according to how she was
>         instructed, paying attention to every operation,
>         using internal speech (more or less). But a couple
>         of months later she now thinks about getting out
>         the door in time to meet her friends while she is
>         tying her laces and isn't even looking at what
>         she's doing. She has achieved mastery.
>
>         OK?
>
>         Andy
>
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>         On 14/08/2020 4:13 am, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:
>
>             Hello conscious and venerable others,
>
>             Mike points out a very important point that
>             conscious awareness cannot be a product of
>             scientific concepts. "Conscious awareness" is
>             a gummy term.
>
>             I am confused about the citation about chess.
>             Is that Spinoza or Vygotsky?
>
>             It's V not S, right? What was the Spinoza text
>             that caught Vygotsky's attention? David would
>             you mind to cite it?
>
>             I am also curious what the Russian words used
>             to create the English translation of
>             "conscious awareness"? Can someone illuminate
>             that for my awareness?
>
>             "Conscious awareness"  is sort of like saying
>             "wet water,"
>
>             No, actually? it is like saying "watery water."
>
>             If we can say "conscious awareness" does that
>             mean we say "unconscious awareness"?
>
>             What does that look like?
>
>             Can we say "conscious unawareness"?
>
>             I don't think so.
>
>             Awareness is awareness.
>
>             I can take a drop out of the sea, but I can't
>             call it the sea, though if I put it back it's
>             not the sea + drop.
>
>             It's just the sea, see?
>
>             However, you can't parse a drop of awareness.
>
>             If it were possible to take one awareness with
>             another awareness, it's still awareness. If I
>             take part of awareness from another awareness
>             it's still awareness.
>
>             Awareness is not really something that can be
>             divided into parts or added to into something
>             "larger."
>
>             The trouble with the word "consiousness," is
>             that it gets tangled with states of brain
>             activity, being awake vs. asleep vs. deep
>             sleep vs. catatonic vs. comatose, unconscious,
>             etc.
>
>             "Consciousness" is a word like "space." We can
>             divide space, but it is really an illusion.
>             Everything is in space, so the small room vs
>             the big room is just an illusion in terms of
>             conceptual size. It's more of a perceptual
>             relationship than something quantitative (say,
>             if looking from the standpoint of space, space
>             is just space). The walls of the rooms are in
>             space too.
>
>             This is why awareness/consciousness cannot be
>             mixed up with thinking processes.
>
>             Awareness is always present, but I sense the
>             content of what is discussed here pertains to
>             knowledge not awareness.
>
>             That's why I'm suspicious about the
>             translation. Is this mistake in the
>             translation? or did Vygotsky make this mistake?
>
>             Of course it seems a silly semantic argument,
>             but the meaning of the words do substantially
>             alter how we think about the concepts they
>             convey, especially if we do not precisely
>             understand the intention the the words were
>             used by the speaker/writer.
>
>             There is a distinct (and special) relationship
>             between perception and knowledge. We can't
>             perceive anything without awareness. We also
>             can't know anything without awareness. I
>             maintain that this is what Spinoza references
>             as "substance." He is right about that. It's
>             that necessary white elephant.
>
>             To master something is to know it. To know it
>             isn't always to master it. We could say
>             Vygotsky attempts to isolate what is different
>             about mastery compared to when mastery isn't
>             evident.
>
>             If we could as-if parse awareness from
>             cognition and set awareness aside, we could
>             then look at the relationship between
>             knowledge and cognition, in that knowledge can
>             be measured in the individual based upon how
>             well the individual's knowledge effectively
>             maps to the world (or reality), while
>             cognition on the other hand is the manifest
>             biological interaction to build those maps. We
>             know cognition is distributed, and that it
>             includes society, tools, etc. It's not just
>             happening in the chamber of the brain, that
>             crafty and mysterious black, I mean grey box.
>
>             Like many philosophers and psychologists, I
>             take it Vygotsky is discussing the ways in
>             which perceptions and awareness of perceptions
>             are organized subjectively.
>
>             If that "structure" is organized in such a way
>             that it maps accurately to the environment,
>             then one can assert there is objective
>             knowledge of the environment, and the better
>             this map "functions," the more mastery is evident.
>
>             When it is not mapping that effectively, I
>             think we might call that in a positive sense
>             "imagination" or in a negative sense, "delusion."
>
>             Humans do have a tendency for delusion as can
>             be witnessed today. It's a very interesting
>             experiment to see the battle of "everyday
>             concepts" and "scientific concepts" in the
>             news about the pandemic.
>
>             In this sense, on the matter of subjective
>             organization of thinking, "primitive" people
>             can have "higher" conceptual developments, as
>             Levi-Strauss has shown us long ago. We might
>             not recognize the value of that mastery
>             because we might not share those
>             thought-organizations of the natural
>             environment that that culture possesses. Why
>             would we share them?
>
>             It's a little like witnessing two foreigners
>             speaking to one another and basing their
>             intelligence on the way the phonetic profile
>             of the language appeals or repels our
>             aesthetic sensibilities for sound.
>
>             Vygotsky was a little guilty of this kind of
>             "modern" chauvanism. (who isn't?)
>
>             I might ask, how much of this might have been
>             self-censorship (or circumspection) within a
>             Soviet society? To possibly barter his ideas
>             better? Is there any evidence of Vygotsky
>             doing that? (I'm inclined to say no, but would
>             like to hear from others mor familier with his
>             texts and relationships with others) Might you
>             help me understand that part. I suppose it
>             depends on how aware he was of this chauvanism?
>
>             Was there for example anything political about
>             Vygotsky's relationship with Krupskaya? Was
>             there anything political about the
>             anthropology study with Luria?
>
>             Is it fair to say that Soviet thinking at the
>             time was to ask "How to create a better
>             human?" But for Vygotsky (and other learning
>             scientists) it was "How to *scientifically*
>             create a better human?" using what we know
>             about mind and how it develops?
>
>             Is it me or can there be something
>             Frankenstein-ish about the question, frankly
>             (pun ha ha), if not arrogant. Who decides what
>             is "better"?
>
>             If "scientific" is referencing an empirical
>             method of analysis, based upon trial and
>             error, OK, but does the individual have to
>             know that it is scientific in order for it to
>             be scientific?
>
>             I guess this is where the
>             functional/structural argument loops about.
>
>             Why couldn't the reality of learning be both
>             functional and structural.
>
>             My take is that what is in common about
>             functions and structures are their patterns.
>
>             A pattern is the differential between the
>             function and the structure.
>
>             Consider the music score (structure) and the
>             musician playing the music (function).
>
>             The pattern is what is present in both. An
>             added benefit is that its translation can
>             evolve in time into other patterns (think Jazz).
>
>             I remember Vera saying that the phrase
>             "scientific concept" is a little problematic.
>             I know she didn't like "everyday concepts"
>             either. My memory is not recalling what she
>             thought was more appropriate at the moment.
>
>             I hope it isn't heretical to suggest that the
>             pattern might a better unit for analysis than
>             activity. (Gee is that my hair that has been
>             singed??)
>
>             When considering conceptual development the
>             pattern is effective because the it can
>             translate between subjective experience and
>             objective experience (biological, social,
>             cultural, etc).
>
>             On another note: Has anyone considered
>             Vygotsky through a feminist lens?
>
>             Also: Is it possible that there were so many
>             women who he cited because women were more
>             likely to be school teachers, as is the case
>             today?
>
>             I am quite enjoying this thread. Thank you.
>
>             Kind regards,
>
>             Annalisa
>
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>
>             *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>             <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu><xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>             <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>on
>             behalf of mike cole<mcole@ucsd.edu>
>             <mailto:mcole@ucsd.edu>
>             *Sent:*Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:23 PM
>             *To:*eXtended Mind, Culture,
>             Activity<xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
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>             *Subject:*[Xmca-l] Re: "conscious awareness
>             enters through the gate" (a Participation
>             Question)
>
>             *[EXTERNAL]*
>
>             Hi Anthony
>
>             I understand that to mean that humans who have
>             not achieved scientific/real concepts do not
>             have conscious awareness.
>
>             What am I missing?
>
>             Mike
>
>             On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 1:06 PM Anthony Barra
>             <anthonymbarra@gmail.com
>             <mailto:anthonymbarra@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Good afternoon,
>
>                 This is a question -- and an invitation:
>
>                 First the question:*What do you understand
>                 the passage below (at the bottom of this
>                 email) to mean?*
>
>                 Second, the invitation:*How about sharing
>                 your thoughts in short video form?*It's
>                 quite enjoyable (ask Andy; ask David; etc)
>                 -- and it's also helpful, not only to me
>                 but to anyone watching or listening. (Here
>                 is the question again, in video
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>
>                 I believe that many people -- including
>                 many teachers -- would benefit from
>                 answers to this question, preferably
>                 multiple answers. With permission, I will
>                 nicely edit and add your response to this
>                 growing list of asked-and-answered
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>                 Thanks for considering it, and note that
>                 we don't care about perfectionism here;
>                 it's mostly for fun.
>
>                 *Here is the passage in question*,
>                 from/Thinking and Speech/, Ch. 6, pp. 190-1:
>
>                     "To perceive something in a different
>                     way means to acquire new potentials
>                     for acting with respect to it. At the
>                     chess board, to see differently is to
>                     play differently. By generalizing the
>                     process of activity itself, I acquire
>                     the potential for new relationships
>                     with it. To speak crudely, it is as if
>                     this process has been isolated from
>                     the general activity of consciousness.
>                     I am conscious of the fact that I
>                     remember. I make my own remembering
>                     the object of consciousness. An
>                     isolation arises here. In a certain
>                     sense, any generalization or
>                     abstraction isolates its object. This
>                     is why conscious awareness –
>                     understood as generalization – leads
>                     directly to mastery.
>
>                     /Thus, the foundation of conscious
>                     awareness is the generalization or
>                     abstraction of the mental processes,
>                     which leads to their mastery/.
>                     Instruction has a decisive role in
>                     this process. Scientific concepts have
>                     a unique relationship to the object.
>                     This relationship is mediated through
>                     other concepts that themselves have an
>                     internal hierarchical system of
>                     interrelationships. It is apparently
>                     in this domain of the scientific
>                     concept that conscious awareness of
>                     concepts or the generalization and
>                     mastery of concepts emerges for the
>                     first time. And once a new structure
>                     of generalization has arisen in one
>                     sphere of thought, it can – like any
>                     structure – be transferred without
>                     training to all remaining domains of
>                     concepts and thought. Thus,/conscious
>                     awareness enters through the gate
>                     opened up by the scientific concept/."
>
>                 What do you understand this passage to mean?
>
>                 Thanks 😎
>
>                 Anthony Barra
>
>                 P.S. My first encounter with /Thinking and
>                 Speech/ was very difficult, even with the
>                 help of talented classmates and a smart
>                 professor. Thankfully, three online videos
>                 from Nikolai Veresov, presented not as a
>                 definitive reading but as a general map of
>                 the book's terrain, were really so helpful
>                 and encouraging for me. If any videos I'm
>                 posting turn out to be similarly useful
>                 (as a number of people have told me),
>                 that's great. So thank you again to anyone
>                 interested in participating.
>
>             --
>
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>               It is only in a social context that
>               subjectivism and objectivism, spiritualism
>               and materialism, activity and passivity
>               cease to be antinomies, and thus cease to
>               exist as such antinomies. The resolution of
>               the theoretical contradictions is possible
>               only through practical means, only through
>               the practical energy of humans. (Marx, 1844).
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