[Xmca-l] Re: Covid as World Perezhivanie?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Sat Apr 25 21:15:48 PDT 2020
I think thesis of the /emergence/ of a world subject is
linked to the end of the USA as the embodiment of that
subjectivity, Greg. I imagine there will have to be a lot of
local building from the ground up everywhere. It will be
combined construction and destruction, I guess. We still
have the climate crisis to deal with, too. It will not be a
uniform process though.
And the truce will be over here in Oz as soon as the
government tries to move back to 'normal', i.e., the status
quo ante with tax cuts for the rich, cutting unemployment in
half, subsidising coal billionaires and harassing the
unemployed. We shall see,
I couldn't imagine the tracking app. getting anywhere in the
US, and honestly, I couldn't have imagined it taking off
here in Oz a few months ago. It is due to be launched this
afternoon and the polls show 45% have said they will
download it and 28% say they won't. Who would have guessed,
eh? An Anglophone liberal democracy accepting having a
government app. tracking their interactions with other
people!? But the alternative is living with the pandemic.
Andy
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On 26/04/2020 12:56 pm, Greg Thompson wrote:
> Andy,
>
> I wish I could give an update as precise as you did about
> what the plans are here in the U.S. but it's the Wild West
> here and nobody knows what our government's plan is or
> even if there is one. One day it's all up to the governors
> of individual states. The next it's not. Then it is. Then
> the governors are being too restrictive and state
> lock-downs are government overreach (like Hitler you
> know). Then states governors are opening too soon. Then
> there's a cure on the horizon. Then he was just being
> joking. (and that's just what comes from the orange haired
> fellow in the White House).
>
> I can't imagine that cell phone tracking will go anywhere
> in the U.S. It seems to be a great solution and have
> worked great in South Korea but Hitler, you know (you
> think I'm joking? What's that great libertarian saying?
> Live free or die. That about sums it up.)
>
> Not seeing any world subject formation happening here, not
> even one in the making. Frankly I'd say that I'm seeing
> quite the opposite - even further divisions into "national
> subjects" - even sub-national subjects (e.g.,
> differentiation by race and class and political party here
> in the U.S. - radical political divisions have developed
> like I've not seen in my lifetime).
>
> That isn't to say that there aren't great possibilities
> for communality and universality in this historical moment
> but I'm just not seeing that potential being realized here
> in the U.S. But maybe this is just an American phenomenon
> and the rest of the world is coming together as a result
> of this worldwide pandemic?
>
> -greg
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:22 PM Andy Blunden
> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>
> Exactly. If you think you've eliminated it and just
> *one person* gets through the net with the virus, you
> have a whole country of 25m people without immunity
> and it doubles every 3 days. So the point is to be
> able to jump on every single case. That's why we don't
> here talk of *eradication* before everyone is vaccinated,
>
> Andy
>
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> On 26/04/2020 11:03 am, Martin Packer wrote:
>> I was reacting to this, Andy
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/national/prison-nursing-home-outbreaks-and-re-importations-the-greatest-risk-to-eradicating-coronavirus-experts-20200424-p54mst.html__;!!Mih3wA!XHPy70F_4y35yvBsqRNzz_eK8_1sKiFQgRO8Xq0nwee25HDNdswf80DYVjjDSAl8tgBT6g$
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/national/prison-nursing-home-outbreaks-and-re-importations-the-greatest-risk-to-eradicating-coronavirus-experts-20200424-p54mst.html__;!!Mih3wA!XFj6xa7MfKZopz75DYrrcHSqPA3WSwQ92unPhMqXk3gchGKGOtobMR5zxcOBpfMrGnC29g$>
>>
>> Two leading epidemiologists fear outbreaks in prisons
>> or nursing homes, and re-importations – unwitting or
>> malicious – pose the greatest risks of any attempt to
>> eradicate coronavirus in Australia.
>>
>> The federal government is pursuing a strategy of
>> virus suppression, but as the numbers of new
>> daily cases continue to fall, elimination
>> seems increasingly enticing to many.
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Andy Blunden
>>> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> New Zealand's aim is *eradication*, leading to a
>>> full return to normal life behind a quarantine wall.
>>>
>>> Australia's aim is *suppression*. As it happens, we
>>> are likely to get to zero cases as fast as NZ, but
>>> the difference is that Australia is planning towards
>>> equipping ourselves with the Tracking App on
>>> everyone's phones, lots of test kits and thousands
>>> of people trained and prepared to test. It is
>>> assumed that whatever we do, there will be
>>> outbreaks, and you could get those waves of
>>> infection, and the capacity to return to normal life
>>> depends on the ability to contact-trace, test and
>>> quarantine with speed and accuracy. The infection
>>> rate is currently so low (about 12 a day in pop. of
>>> 25m) that we could go back to normal now, if the
>>> testing infrastructure was in place. Actually, the
>>> population is largely resisting the return to work
>>> at the moment. The teachers don't want all the kids
>>> back at school.
>>>
>>> It is possible that Oz and NZ will share a
>>> quarantine zone until the vaccine is in use.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
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>>> On 26/04/2020 2:14 am, Martin Packer wrote:
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> There is talk about the possible eradication of the
>>>> virus in Australia and New Zealand, from what I
>>>> have read. Eradication is difficult when no one has
>>>> resistance, but not impossible. Other virus
>>>> infections have been eradicated, as far as one can
>>>> tell, such as smallpox.
>>>>
>>>> In Wuhan, where the infections started, which is a
>>>> city of around 11 million people, less that 70,000
>>>> cases were reported. Even if that is vastly
>>>> underreported by a factor of 10 it is less than
>>>> 10%. And studies in California suggest that only 1
>>>> in 5 have been infected, of whom 60% have not
>>>> experienced any symptoms. Only around 5% need
>>>> hospitalization.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 10:46 AM, David H Kirshner
>>>>> <dkirsh@lsu.edu <mailto:dkirsh@lsu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>> The scenario you sketched out is what I’d thought
>>>>> would/could happen, but the epidemiologists don’t
>>>>> ever talk about eradicating the virus, they just
>>>>> talk about slowing the spread so as not to
>>>>> overwhelm health care facilities. Eventually,
>>>>> everyone who can get it will get it. So a
>>>>> generation of older and weaker people will be
>>>>> adversely affected, many dying. It’s only in the
>>>>> next generation when most people have gotten it
>>>>> young that it will fade into the background, like
>>>>> the common cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Martin Packer
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2020 7:42 AM
>>>>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>>>>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Covid as World Perezhivanie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian,
>>>>>
>>>>> If no efforts are made to contain a virus it will
>>>>> move through a population in a single wave,
>>>>> infecting many people and then disappearing as no
>>>>> more potential hosts are available.
>>>>>
>>>>> If efforts to contain it — lockdown — are adequate
>>>>> there will be a single much smaller wave, followed
>>>>> again by elimination as hosts are not available.
>>>>>
>>>>> If containment is not effective — if people don’t
>>>>> isolate sufficiently — there may be a second wave
>>>>> when the containment is reduced. Or the first wave
>>>>> may not be controlled.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you say, each country is responding
>>>>> differently. Australia seems close to eliminating
>>>>> the virus after a single wave. The US and UK are
>>>>> somewhere between starting a second wave and still
>>>>> being in a poorly controlled first wave. Colombia
>>>>> seems to be still moving up its first wave.
>>>>>
>>>>> The behavior of a virus can be modeled, but only
>>>>> on the basis of assumptions about how people are
>>>>> going to behave. Since we cannot predict this
>>>>> behavior, we cannot even predict how the virus
>>>>> will or will not spread, let alone the political,
>>>>> economic and social consequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> To say this is not to be pessimistic; pessimism
>>>>> would be predicting a dire outcome. Rather, it
>>>>> highlights that the outcome lies in all our hands.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 1:43 AM, Julian Williams
>>>>> <julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy/Greg
>>>>>
>>>>> Each nation state appears to be ‘playing’ the
>>>>> pandemic in different ways (eg China, Italy,
>>>>> Australia, NZ, Sweden, UK, USA,… check out
>>>>> attached report which comes
>>>>> fromhttps://pandemic.internationalsos.com/2019-ncov
>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fpandemic.internationalsos.com*2F2019-ncov__*3B!!Mih3wA!WPEOjoRcy7-0XGXGM7QSrXXC27_A4xJId659fiG4khvEeZtv3X_8vk3uo8LvLBuG_SQkBg*24&data=02*7C01*7Cdkirsh*40lsu.edu*7C13d87711a64c4d5a186408d7e9164a3c*7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8*7C0*7C0*7C637234154276903189&sdata=61pgy27QZzEaALkKVjxPTn0pp*2FLGn21Yd1KrodJviwk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!VMC7Q42-ZCLzlrlcxDalTU1dfGjI2uL5la5B1b-uJBs0lJmYIEwYo2Mjvs8OHpUWL5Hw3A$> I
>>>>> get one of these reports every few days)
>>>>> while sometimes looking to other countries to
>>>>> see how their numbers are growing/falling (and
>>>>> mostly making a damn poor job of it).
>>>>>
>>>>> Before this all got going, the scientists
>>>>> already had a pretty good idea how a pandemic
>>>>> works, and even what needed to be done to
>>>>> prepare for
>>>>> it:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-uk-ministers-were-warned-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemic__;!!Mih3wA!XHPy70F_4y35yvBsqRNzz_eK8_1sKiFQgRO8Xq0nwee25HDNdswf80DYVjjDSAmHqBtEWg$
>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.theguardian.com*2Fworld*2F2020*2Fapr*2F24*2Frevealed-uk-ministers-were-warned-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemic__*3B!!Mih3wA!WPEOjoRcy7-0XGXGM7QSrXXC27_A4xJId659fiG4khvEeZtv3X_8vk3uo8LvLBuWZeIjdw*24&data=02*7C01*7Cdkirsh*40lsu.edu*7C13d87711a64c4d5a186408d7e9164a3c*7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8*7C0*7C0*7C637234154276903189&sdata=94tZ8Ws2JeXxWr0KOQl5TSlVUXNaM8K5Td*2BQeE2nhC4*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!Mih3wA!VMC7Q42-ZCLzlrlcxDalTU1dfGjI2uL5la5B1b-uJBs0lJmYIEwYo2Mjvs8OHpUVP_4Izw$>
>>>>>
>>>>> And now we know a bit more than we did then.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a prediction/warning there about a
>>>>> number of pandemic waves…
>>>>>
>>>>> In the second ‘wave’, we – the world
>>>>> subject-in-formation may have learnt more,
>>>>> maybe there will be fewer deaths? Maybe we
>>>>> will rescue WHO, maybe not (I won’t predict).
>>>>> But maybe the science community will be paying
>>>>> serious attention, and especially to its duty
>>>>> to the ‘public good’. But there are some
>>>>> contradictory signs. In my own university we
>>>>> seem to be about to enter a new austerity,
>>>>> (implemented from the top by a failing
>>>>> leadership, led by a true academic, bio
>>>>> scientist no less!)
>>>>>
>>>>> What is clear is that the ‘public’ and its
>>>>> social movements are key to forcing each
>>>>> government to act, and that in almost all
>>>>> cases our leaders and rulers have followed
>>>>> along reluctantly – even while the science and
>>>>> the pandemic plan was there.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the third and subsequent waves? I agree
>>>>> it’s not predictable: the outcomes will depend
>>>>> entirely on all of ‘us’.
>>>>>
>>>>> And in the next ‘big one’, the climate
>>>>> collapse? Maybe all this pandemic ‘play’ will
>>>>> have helped prepare us, we maybe will learn
>>>>> how to build the institutions, policies etc
>>>>> for the world’s ‘public good’ in time. I still
>>>>> have hope.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Vygotsky-Leontiev’s idea of ‘play’ as
>>>>> the leading activity of the pre-schooler, as I
>>>>> find it complements the notion of world
>>>>> perezhivanie – yes, we are experiencing trauma
>>>>> and that drives activity to overcome, etc, but
>>>>> also in this play we are acting, reflecting,
>>>>> and always – above all - imagining and
>>>>> re-imagining (modelling etc) our world future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:*<xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on
>>>>> behalf of Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org
>>>>> <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>>
>>>>> *Reply-To:*"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
>>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>>>>> *Date:*Saturday, 25 April 2020 at 02:08
>>>>> *To:*"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
>>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>> <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>>>>> *Subject:*[Xmca-l] Re: Covid as World
>>>>> Perezhivanie?
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg, the word is polysemic, as Mike said, but
>>>>> I agree with Michael that/perezhivaniya/are
>>>>> essentially collective experiences. As I say
>>>>> in the article, that COVID will be experienced
>>>>> differently in different countries, by
>>>>> different classes and social groups is an
>>>>> important part of this process. It does not
>>>>> detract it from its being a single experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huw, a "world subject" is emergent at this
>>>>> moment. It is implicit or "in-itself" but I
>>>>> look forward to the appearance of such a world
>>>>> subject, though who know how long and through
>>>>> what traumas we will pass before it is an
>>>>> actuality. Like WW2, the COVID pandemic part
>>>>> of its birth process.
>>>>>
>>>>> * https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/seminars/perezhivanie.htm__;!!Mih3wA!XHPy70F_4y35yvBsqRNzz_eK8_1sKiFQgRO8Xq0nwee25HDNdswf80DYVjjDSAlfrY20dw$ ,
>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fwww.ethicalpolitics.org*2Fseminars*2Fperezhivanie.htm__*3B!!Mih3wA!S8ALk6GlG2xHhKD5PZffsZwZSDgRm3dCjkxcBsYpsG0QakxKLngh6lBP1DDCY0iFFi2kTw*24&data=02*7C01*7Cdkirsh*40lsu.edu*7C13d87711a64c4d5a186408d7e9164a3c*7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8*7C0*7C0*7C637234154276913183&sdata=UWpYeP4xzS0afWz5kuM1nprhHlVnPuBVcv9yE*2BF7ytU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!VMC7Q42-ZCLzlrlcxDalTU1dfGjI2uL5la5B1b-uJBs0lJmYIEwYo2Mjvs8OHpWv_2tkhw$>Notes,
>>>>> links, excerpts, 2009
>>>>> * https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Blunden_article*response.pdf__;Kw!!Mih3wA!XHPy70F_4y35yvBsqRNzz_eK8_1sKiFQgRO8Xq0nwee25HDNdswf80DYVjjDSAkuFTttVg$
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>>>>> MCA article 2016
>>>>> * https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Coronavirus-pandemic.pdf__;!!Mih3wA!XHPy70F_4y35yvBsqRNzz_eK8_1sKiFQgRO8Xq0nwee25HDNdswf80DYVjjDSAkRDLSrBw$
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>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>>>> Hegel for Social Movements
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/04/2020 4:01 am, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering about Andy's suggestion that
>>>>> covid-19 is a (or maybe "is creating a"?)
>>>>> world perezhivanie. That seems a really
>>>>> rich suggestion but I'm not sure how many
>>>>> of us on the list really understand what
>>>>> he means by this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy tends to just tell me to go read more
>>>>> and so I'm wondering if someone else might
>>>>> be willing to take a stab at explaining
>>>>> what he might mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, as a critical intervention, I am
>>>>> wondering whether covid-19 is the "same"
>>>>> for everyone. We have folks in the U.S.
>>>>> who think it is basically just a typical
>>>>> flu that has been turned into a political
>>>>> tool to attack the current president. Or
>>>>> does that not matter for perezhivanie?
>>>>>
>>>>> (and just to be clear, my question is not
>>>>> whether or not this is true or right or
>>>>> beautiful to think this way; my question
>>>>> is whether or not this is how people are
>>>>> actually experiencing the world since I
>>>>> assume that this is what perezhivanie is
>>>>> supposed to be "getting at". Or am I
>>>>> misunderstanding perezhivanie?)
>>>>>
>>>>> So is there really a shared perezhivanie here?
>>>>>
>>>>> (Is The Problem of Age the place to look
>>>>> for answers?)
>>>>>
>>>>> But if no one wants to take this up
>>>>> (perhaps too much ink has been spilt over
>>>>> perezhivanie?), that's fine too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> greg
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>
>>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>>>
>>>>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>>>
>>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>>>
>>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>>>
>>>>> WEBSITE:
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>>>>>
>>>>> <Executive Summary 15 APRIL 2020 FINAL[1].docx>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
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