[Xmca-l] Re: Covid as World Perezhivanie?

Andy Blunden andyb@marxists.org
Sat Apr 25 18:19:12 PDT 2020


Exactly. If you think you've eliminated it and just *one 
person* gets through the net with the virus, you have a 
whole country of 25m people without immunity and it doubles 
every 3 days. So the point is to be able to jump on every 
single case. That's why we don't here talk of *eradication* 
before everyone is vaccinated,

Andy

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On 26/04/2020 11:03 am, Martin Packer wrote:
> I was reacting to this, Andy
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/national/prison-nursing-home-outbreaks-and-re-importations-the-greatest-risk-to-eradicating-coronavirus-experts-20200424-p54mst.html__;!!Mih3wA!RumoRqh_imI3l8k14a-ZOV8G9j2p3_39l4wGZsdmD1AoF2iw1rYMV05Jp5-53Dd-DBdtOw$  
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/national/prison-nursing-home-outbreaks-and-re-importations-the-greatest-risk-to-eradicating-coronavirus-experts-20200424-p54mst.html__;!!Mih3wA!XFj6xa7MfKZopz75DYrrcHSqPA3WSwQ92unPhMqXk3gchGKGOtobMR5zxcOBpfMrGnC29g$>
>
> Two leading epidemiologists fear outbreaks in prisons or 
> nursing homes, and re-importations – unwitting or 
> malicious – pose the greatest risks of any attempt to 
> eradicate coronavirus in Australia.
>
> The federal government is pursuing a strategy of virus 
> suppression, but as the numbers of new daily cases 
> continue to fall, elimination seems increasingly enticing 
> to many.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Andy Blunden 
>> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>> New Zealand's aim is *eradication*, leading to a full 
>> return to normal life behind a quarantine wall.
>>
>> Australia's aim is *suppression*. As it happens, we are 
>> likely to get to zero cases as fast as NZ, but the 
>> difference is that Australia is planning towards 
>> equipping ourselves with the Tracking App on everyone's 
>> phones, lots of test kits and thousands of people trained 
>> and prepared to test. It is assumed that whatever we do, 
>> there will be outbreaks, and you could get those waves of 
>> infection, and the capacity to return to normal life 
>> depends on the ability to contact-trace, test and 
>> quarantine with speed and accuracy. The infection rate is 
>> currently so low (about 12 a day in pop. of 25m) that we 
>> could go back to normal now, if the testing 
>> infrastructure was in place. Actually, the population is 
>> largely resisting the return to work at the moment. The 
>> teachers don't want all the kids back at school.
>>
>> It is possible that Oz and NZ will share a quarantine 
>> zone until the vaccine is in use.
>>
>> Andy
>>
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>> On 26/04/2020 2:14 am, Martin Packer wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>> There is talk about the possible eradication of the 
>>> virus in Australia and New Zealand, from what I have 
>>> read. Eradication is difficult when no one has 
>>> resistance, but not impossible. Other virus infections 
>>> have been eradicated, as far as one can tell, such as 
>>> smallpox.
>>>
>>> In Wuhan, where the infections started, which is a city 
>>> of around 11 million people, less that 70,000 cases were 
>>> reported. Even if that is vastly underreported by a 
>>> factor of 10 it is less than 10%.  And studies in 
>>> California suggest that only 1 in 5 have been infected, 
>>> of whom 60% have not experienced any symptoms. Only 
>>> around 5% need hospitalization.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2020, at 10:46 AM, David H Kirshner 
>>>> <dkirsh@lsu.edu <mailto:dkirsh@lsu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Martin,
>>>>
>>>> The scenario you sketched out is what I’d thought 
>>>> would/could happen, but the epidemiologists don’t ever 
>>>> talk about eradicating the virus, they just talk about 
>>>> slowing the spread so as not to overwhelm health care 
>>>> facilities. Eventually, everyone who can get it will 
>>>> get it. So a generation of older and weaker people will 
>>>> be adversely affected, many dying. It’s only in the 
>>>> next generation when most people have gotten it young 
>>>> that it will fade into the background, like the common 
>>>> cold.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> *From:*xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> 
>>>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
>>>> <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> *On Behalf Of 
>>>> *Martin Packer
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 25, 2020 7:42 AM
>>>> *To:* eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity 
>>>> <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>>>> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Covid as World Perezhivanie?
>>>>
>>>> Julian,
>>>>
>>>> If no efforts are made to contain a virus it will move 
>>>> through a population in a single wave, infecting many 
>>>> people and then disappearing as no more potential hosts 
>>>> are available.
>>>>
>>>> If efforts to contain it — lockdown — are adequate 
>>>> there will be a single much smaller wave, followed 
>>>> again by elimination as hosts are not available.
>>>>
>>>> If containment is not effective — if people don’t 
>>>> isolate sufficiently — there may be a second wave when 
>>>> the containment is reduced. Or the first wave may not 
>>>> be controlled.
>>>>
>>>> As you say, each country is responding differently. 
>>>> Australia seems close to eliminating the virus after a 
>>>> single wave. The US and UK are somewhere between 
>>>> starting a second wave and still being in a poorly 
>>>> controlled first wave. Colombia seems to be still 
>>>> moving up its first wave.
>>>>
>>>> The behavior of a virus can be modeled, but only on the 
>>>> basis of assumptions about how people are going to 
>>>> behave. Since we cannot predict this behavior, we 
>>>> cannot even predict how the virus will or will not 
>>>> spread, let alone the political, economic and social 
>>>> consequences.
>>>>
>>>> To say this is not to be pessimistic; pessimism would 
>>>> be predicting a dire outcome. Rather, it highlights 
>>>> that the outcome lies in all our hands.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Apr 25, 2020, at 1:43 AM, Julian Williams
>>>>     <julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk
>>>>     <mailto:julian.williams@manchester.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Andy/Greg
>>>>
>>>>     Each nation state appears to be ‘playing’ the
>>>>     pandemic in different ways (eg China, Italy,
>>>>     Australia, NZ, Sweden, UK, USA,… check out attached
>>>>     report which comes
>>>>     fromhttps://pandemic.internationalsos.com/2019-ncov
>>>>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fpandemic.internationalsos.com*2F2019-ncov__*3B!!Mih3wA!WPEOjoRcy7-0XGXGM7QSrXXC27_A4xJId659fiG4khvEeZtv3X_8vk3uo8LvLBuG_SQkBg*24&data=02*7C01*7Cdkirsh*40lsu.edu*7C13d87711a64c4d5a186408d7e9164a3c*7C2d4dad3f50ae47d983a09ae2b1f466f8*7C0*7C0*7C637234154276903189&sdata=61pgy27QZzEaALkKVjxPTn0pp*2FLGn21Yd1KrodJviwk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!Mih3wA!VMC7Q42-ZCLzlrlcxDalTU1dfGjI2uL5la5B1b-uJBs0lJmYIEwYo2Mjvs8OHpUWL5Hw3A$>   I
>>>>     get one of these reports every few days)  while
>>>>     sometimes looking to other countries to see how
>>>>     their numbers are growing/falling (and mostly
>>>>     making a damn poor job of it).
>>>>
>>>>     Before this all got going, the scientists already
>>>>     had a pretty good idea how a pandemic works, and
>>>>     even what needed to be done to prepare for
>>>>     it:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-uk-ministers-were-warned-last-year-of-risks-of-coronavirus-pandemic__;!!Mih3wA!RumoRqh_imI3l8k14a-ZOV8G9j2p3_39l4wGZsdmD1AoF2iw1rYMV05Jp5-53Dfufo-T-g$ 
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>>>>
>>>>     And now we know a bit more than we did then.
>>>>
>>>>     There is a prediction/warning there about a number
>>>>     of pandemic waves…
>>>>
>>>>     In the second ‘wave’, we – the world
>>>>     subject-in-formation may have learnt more, maybe
>>>>     there will be fewer deaths?  Maybe we will rescue
>>>>     WHO, maybe not (I won’t predict). But maybe the
>>>>     science community will be paying serious attention,
>>>>     and especially to its duty to the ‘public good’.
>>>>     But there are some contradictory signs. In my own
>>>>     university we seem to be about to enter a new
>>>>     austerity, (implemented from the top by a failing
>>>>     leadership, led by a true academic, bio scientist
>>>>     no less!)
>>>>
>>>>     What is clear is that the ‘public’ and its social
>>>>     movements are key to forcing each government to
>>>>     act, and that in almost all cases our leaders and
>>>>     rulers have followed along reluctantly – even while
>>>>     the science and the pandemic plan was there.
>>>>
>>>>     In the third and subsequent waves? I agree it’s not
>>>>     predictable: the outcomes will depend entirely on
>>>>     all of ‘us’.
>>>>
>>>>     And in the next ‘big one’, the climate collapse?
>>>>     Maybe all this pandemic ‘play’ will have helped
>>>>     prepare us, we maybe will learn how to build the
>>>>     institutions, policies etc for the world’s ‘public
>>>>     good’ in time. I still have hope.
>>>>
>>>>     I use Vygotsky-Leontiev’s idea of ‘play’ as the
>>>>     leading activity of the pre-schooler, as I find it
>>>>     complements the notion of world perezhivanie – yes,
>>>>     we are experiencing trauma and that drives activity
>>>>     to overcome, etc, but also in this play we are
>>>>     acting, reflecting, and always – above all -
>>>>     imagining and re-imagining (modelling etc) our
>>>>     world future.
>>>>
>>>>     Julian
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*<xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>     <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>> on behalf
>>>>     of Andy Blunden <andyb@marxists.org
>>>>     <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>>
>>>>     *Reply-To:*"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
>>>>     <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>     <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>>>>     *Date:*Saturday, 25 April 2020 at 02:08
>>>>     *To:*"eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
>>>>     <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>>     <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>>>>     *Subject:*[Xmca-l] Re: Covid as World Perezhivanie?
>>>>
>>>>     Greg, the word is polysemic, as Mike said, but I
>>>>     agree with Michael that/perezhivaniya/are
>>>>     essentially collective experiences. As I say in the
>>>>     article, that COVID will be experienced differently
>>>>     in different countries, by different classes and
>>>>     social groups is an important part of this process.
>>>>     It does not detract it from its being a single
>>>>     experience.
>>>>
>>>>     Huw, a "world subject" is emergent at this moment.
>>>>     It is implicit or "in-itself" but I look forward to
>>>>     the appearance of such a world subject, though who
>>>>     know how long and through what traumas we will pass
>>>>     before it is an actuality. Like WW2, the COVID
>>>>     pandemic part of its birth process.
>>>>
>>>>       * https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/seminars/perezhivanie.htm__;!!Mih3wA!RumoRqh_imI3l8k14a-ZOV8G9j2p3_39l4wGZsdmD1AoF2iw1rYMV05Jp5-53Dds_36RQA$ ,
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>>>>         links, excerpts, 2009
>>>>       * https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Blunden_article*response.pdf__;Kw!!Mih3wA!RumoRqh_imI3l8k14a-ZOV8G9j2p3_39l4wGZsdmD1AoF2iw1rYMV05Jp5-53DcJoDzXiA$ 
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>>>>         MCA article 2016
>>>>       * https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/pdfs/Coronavirus-pandemic.pdf__;!!Mih3wA!RumoRqh_imI3l8k14a-ZOV8G9j2p3_39l4wGZsdmD1AoF2iw1rYMV05Jp5-53Dfmdxajcg$ 
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>>>>
>>>>     Andy
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     *Andy Blunden*
>>>>     Hegel for Social Movements
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>>>>
>>>>     On 25/04/2020 4:01 am, Greg Thompson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I'm wondering about Andy's suggestion that
>>>>         covid-19 is a (or maybe "is creating a"?) world
>>>>         perezhivanie. That seems a really rich
>>>>         suggestion but I'm not sure how many of us on
>>>>         the list really understand what he means by this.
>>>>
>>>>         Andy tends to just tell me to go read more and
>>>>         so I'm wondering if someone else might be
>>>>         willing to take a stab at explaining what he
>>>>         might mean.
>>>>
>>>>         Also, as a critical intervention, I am
>>>>         wondering whether covid-19 is the "same" for
>>>>         everyone. We have folks in the U.S. who think
>>>>         it is basically just a typical flu that has
>>>>         been turned into a political tool to attack the
>>>>         current president. Or does that not matter for
>>>>         perezhivanie?
>>>>
>>>>         (and just to be clear, my question is not
>>>>         whether or not this is true or right or
>>>>         beautiful to think this way; my question is
>>>>         whether or not this is how people are actually
>>>>         experiencing the world since I assume that this
>>>>         is what perezhivanie is supposed to be "getting
>>>>         at". Or am I misunderstanding perezhivanie?)
>>>>
>>>>         So is there really a shared perezhivanie here?
>>>>
>>>>         (Is The Problem of Age the place to look for
>>>>         answers?)
>>>>
>>>>         But if no one wants to take this up (perhaps
>>>>         too much ink has been spilt over
>>>>         perezhivanie?), that's fine too.
>>>>
>>>>         Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>         greg
>>>>
>>>>         --
>>>>
>>>>         Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>>
>>>>         Assistant Professor
>>>>
>>>>         Department of Anthropology
>>>>
>>>>         880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>>
>>>>         Brigham Young University
>>>>
>>>>         Provo, UT 84602
>>>>
>>>>         WEBSITE:
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