[Xmca-l] Re: General check-in?

Sat Apr 11 09:50:08 PDT 2020

Thanks for pointing out the problem, Greg. Its a new one to me.
I am ccing bruce jones to look into matters.

The invitation from Bruno Latour is quite interesting. It seems worthwhile
contributing to and for sure knowing
about.
mike
(and apologies to Anne-Nelly for my too-late-in-the-day senior moment!)

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:38 AM Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Two things.
>
> 1. The Listserve is acting misogynistic - I didn't see Anne-Nelly
> Perret-Clermont's OR Annalie PIstorus' original messages to the list, I
> only saw their comments below the male responses to their comments (Mike's
> to Anne-Nelly and Ulvi's to Annalie). Maybe the code of the listserve is
> actually literally structurally biased against women's voices? (I'm
> half-joking but I'm totally serious about not seeing their original posts).
>
> 2. The link that Anne-Nelly sent was to a Bruno Latour paper (link below)
> that included the challenge to think about what things we can give up or
> change when life goes back to "normal" so that we aren't still in the same
> mess that we were before. I wonder if folks on this list might be
> interested in having a go at the exercise?
> I'm also curious if Anne-Nelly might be willing to share the thinking that
> her group has done on this?
>
> Here is the list of questions:
> Let us take advantage of the forced suspension of most activities to take
> stock of those we would like to see discontinued and those, on the
> contrary, that we would like to see developed.
> I suggest that readers try to answer this short questionnaire for
> themselves. It will be especially useful as it will be based on a personal
> experience that has been directly lived. This exercise is not a question of
> expressing an opinion but of describing your situation and may be
> investigating. It is only later, if one were to give oneself the means of
> compiling the answers of many respondents and then composing the landscape
> created by their intersections, that one could find a form of political
> expression - but this time embodied and situated in a concrete world.
> Answer the following questions first individually and then if possible
> with others:
> Question 1: What are the activities now suspended that you would like to
> see not resumed?
> Question 2: Describe why you think this activity is harmful/ superfluous/
> dangerous/inconsistent and how its disappearance/suspension/substitution
> would make the activities you favor easier/ more consistent. (Make a
> separate paragraph for each of the activities listed in question 1).
> Question 3: What measures do you recommend to ensure that the
> workers/employees/agents/entrepreneurs who will no longer be able to
> continue in the activities you are removing are helped in their transition
> toward other activities.
> Question 4: Which of the now suspended activities would you like to
> develop/resume or even create from scratch?
> Question 5: Describe why this activity seems positive to you and how it
> makes it easier/ more harmonious/ consistent with other activities that you
> favor and helps to combat those that you consider unfavorable. (Make a
> separate paragraph for each of the activities listed in question 4).
> Question 6: What measures do you recommend to help workers/ employees/
> agents/ entrepreneurs acquire the capacities/ means/ income/ instruments to
> take over/ develop/ create this favored activity.
> Now, find a way to compare your descriptions with those of other
> participants. Compiling and then superimposing the answers should gradually
> produce a landscape made of lines of conflict, alliances, controversy and
> opposition. This terrain may provide a concrete opportunity for creating
> the forms of political expression these activities require.
>
> Here are links to the paper in 6 different languages:
> http://www.bruno-latour.fr/node/852.html
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 9:51 PM mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anna-Lisa. What you describe has great similarities what people in the
>> US are experiencing with the exception that it is now clear for all to see
>> that it is poverty, or the security of the vulnerable (same thing in my
>> view).
>>
>> Thanks very much for the Latium letter.  It is totally relevant right now.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 9:38 AM PERRET-CLERMONT Anne-Nelly <
>> Anne-Nelly.Perret-Clermont@unine.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everybody!
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for all the news and perspectives that are being
>>> shared from all over the Planet. Such difficult times, especially for those
>>> who can’t even send news...
>>>
>>> Some news from Switzerland, a privileged country, yet with very serious
>>> contamination rates. Almost 4 weeks of confinement (rights to go out are
>>> very limited and only a limited number of professions are still working)
>>> that totally re-organize our private and public life.
>>>
>>> The sun is shining wonderfully and it is very tempting  to move out for
>>> this Easter holiday. Nevertheless, most people are very disciplined and
>>> stay home in confinement.
>>> It took a lot of time for the local, cantonal and federal authorities to
>>> decide on the confinement measures. Switzerland’s political traditions
>>> impose  bottom-up decisions. But the result of this (too slow?) process
>>> seems to be that most people agree and comply with this policy. Police
>>> forces try to do education and not  repression. But the peak of the tide of
>>> contamination has not been reached yet and hospitals are under stress.
>>>
>>> The economic stress due to this long shut down arises a lot of fear on
>>> the side of trade unions and employers associations. Switzerland has very
>>> large multinational companies, but 90% of its firms are small or medium
>>> size business. Quite a number of them are now reaching the edge of
>>>  bankruptcy. If they should go bankrup,t this would totally disorganise the
>>> country, its daily style of life and more: small firms and their locations
>>> impact regional demography, resources, power (in a federation of cantons),
>>> etc.  after compulsory education, 60% of the young people attend dual
>>> education (i.e. half time in firms and half-time in school) and if firms
>>> shut down this education will fall apart. Government, banks and networks of
>>> citizens are lending money and trying to maintain these small firms alive.
>>> Unemployment rate is raising but rents have to be paid. Etc…
>>>
>>> Switzerland is a country of pharmaceutical industry and engineers. But
>>> the panic in the hospitals is not over: equipment is insufficient, and
>>> drugs are starting to miss. Local enterprises have the know how to make
>>> them but …with ingredients that come exclusively from China and India.
>>> Hospitals have been afraid of losing 25% to 40% of their staff as nurses
>>> often come from the bordering regions of France and Italy. Finally, these
>>> countries have locked their borders but not for those professionals. This
>>> does not solve the problem on the long term, of course as these countries
>>> also need more medical staff. We hope that a growing awareness of the
>>> importance (and respect and salary) due to these professions will finally
>>> have the necessary impact. At 9 p.m., everybody goes at the window or
>>> balcony to give them a clap (or ring bells or even play music) for a minute
>>> to thank all the medical staff and other professions (e.g., cleaners) who
>>> likewise take enormous risks and make great efforts.
>>>
>>> The number of beds in the hospitals has been seriously increased by
>>> creative means. The ultraliberal policy of the last decade had seriously
>>> cut down the number of beds in hospital and sent many many patients  to
>>> private practice and ambulatory treatment. But the government, when
>>> declaring confinement, has also declared that medical practitioners should
>>> only do online treatment and should close their practice. Result: 3 weeks
>>> later medical authorities are very worried: many patients in serious
>>> conditions or with severe chronic diseases don’t dare to call their medical
>>> practitioner and are afraid to go to the emergency services in hospital
>>> (fear of overloading them, fear of infection by Covid and fear of being cut
>>> out from their families (not allowed in the hospital). The pronostic is a
>>> possible wave of very serious cases needing urgent and heavy  treatment.
>>> This wave will put extra-pressure on the sanitary system already
>>> overburden. Meanwhile small medical units are close to bankruptcy : their
>>> have to pay the salaries of their staff but have no income to do so.
>>>
>>> There is also a (still small) growing concern among social scientists
>>> that the teams that reflect on the pandemic and the confinement measures
>>> (and the planning of the end of the confinement) are made up of exclusively
>>> of epidemiologists and economists (with one or two specialists in ethics).
>>> Hence the psychic and social problems of the confined population are
>>> probably underestimated.
>>> Little is known of the underprivileged part of the population, now
>>> unemployed, in small housing, with little outreach. Schooling has gone
>>> online in a fortnight (with absolutely no preparation) but many students
>>> don’t have connections or share the unique computer of the household with
>>> parents and siblings all supposedly on line.
>>>
>>> This is only a few elements that characterise the situation. In
>>> parallel, many citizens are becoming increasingly aware of the dangers of
>>> the total interdependence of the economy and of the ecological disasters
>>> that this creates. Sanitary disasters and ecological disasters are much
>>> more interrelated than expected (a very nice book to understand that
>>> biological processes and ways of life social life are interdependent: Rob
>>> Dunn *"Never home alone. **From Microbes to Millipedes, Camel Crickets,
>>> and Honeybees, the Natural History of Where We Live"*).
>>>
>>> There are also plenty of many nice examples of solidarity, creativity,
>>> etc. They need to converge and be made visible.
>>>
>>> We (MAPS in University of Neuchâtel)  are engaging in a large inquiry
>>> based on Bruno Latour’s call (March 29, 2020): "A little exercise to
>>> make sure that, after the virus crisis, things don’t start again as they
>>> were before" (see http://www.bruno-latour.fr/node/852.html with already
>>> versions in English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Polish, German, Dutch).
>>>
>>> Anne-Nelly Perret-Clermont
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Espace+Louis-Agassiz+1)+%0D%0A+CH-+2000+Neuch%C3%A2tel+(Suisse?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> Prof. em. Anne-Nelly Perret-Clermont
>>> Institut de psychologie et éducation Faculté des lettres et sciences
>>> humaines
>>> Université de Neuchâtel
>>> Espace Tilo-Frey 1
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Espace+Tilo-Frey+1?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> (Anciennement: Espace Louis-Agassiz 1)
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Espace+Louis-Agassiz+1)+%0D%0A+CH-+2000+Neuch%C3%A2tel+(Suisse?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> CH- 2000 Neuchâtel (Suisse
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Espace+Louis-Agassiz+1)+%0D%0A+CH-+2000+Neuch%C3%A2tel+(Suisse?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> )
>>> http://www.unine.ch/ipe/publications/anne_nelly_perret_clermont
>>>
>>> Last publications:
>>> Perret-Clermont, A.-N., Schär, R., Greco, S., Convertini, J.,
>>> Iannaccone, A., & Rocci, A. (2019). Shifting from a monological to a
>>> dialogical perspective on children’s argumentation. Lessons learned. In F.
>>> H. van Eemren & B. Garssen (Eds.), *Argumentation in actual practice.
>>> Topical studies about argumentative discourse in context* (pp.
>>> 211-236): John Benjamins Publishing Company. *Version électronique
>>> <http://doc.rero.ch/record/327354> *Iannaccone, A., Perret-Clermont,
>>> A.-N., & Convertini, J. (2019). Children as investigators of Brunerian
>>> “Possible worlds”. The role of narrative scenarios in children’s
>>> argumentative thinking. . Integrative Psychological and Behiavioral
>>> Science, 53, 679-693. *Version électronique
>>> <https://doc.rero.ch/record/327830?ln=fr>*
>>>
>>> Perret-Clermont, A.-N., Perret, J.-F., Pochon, L.-O., & Marro, P.
>>> (2019). Hommage à Jacques Perriault. Hermes, La Revue, 3, 226-226.
>>>
>>> In J.-P. Fragnière (Ed.), Agir et penser avec Anne-Nelly Perret-Clermont
>>> (pp. 71-107). Lausanne: Editions Socialinfo
>>> https://www.socialinfo.ch/les-livres/38-agir-et-penser-avec-anne-nelly-perret-clermont.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>> Being a social scientist is like being a geologist who studies rocks in a
>> landslide. Roy D'Andrade
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>>
>>
>>
>
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