[Xmca-l] Re: V. V. Davydov’s mathematics curriculum

[Laure Kloetzer]

Hi Edward,

I am very much interested, as I am trying to put together currently a
project around Davydov's curriculum in Switzerland, which would include if
possible doing translations in English of some basic Russian curriculum
books.
>From the expertise of the list, can I correctly assume that there is
currently no complete translation of Davydov's mathematics books?
Best regards,
LK


Le dim. 13 oct. 2019 à 13:57, Edward Wall <ewall@umich.edu> a écrit :

> All
>
>      I’m taking this off list assuming that there is not all that much
> interest. Let me know otherwise.
>
> Ed
>
> Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a
> sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is.
>
> On Oct 6, 2019, at  3:36 PM, Baloncuk Tr <aysekan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks so much for the ideas on the project, Ed.
>
> I began to think that the project will be more difficult than I thought. I
> think I need a math teacher who knows the mathematical theories very well.
> But it is very difficult to find such a teacher. Math teachers take math
> and education courses at the same time in Turkey. They may not know the
> theories of the discipline they teach very well because of the education
> they get in university. Knowing the recent developments in the field you
> teach is very important for developmental teaching. As all you know,
> quality of the content (scientific vs. everyday concepts) is important in
> developmental teaching.
>
> Ed, what you said about the abandonment of Davydov’s curriculum because of
> the teachers made me think about the “New Math” curriculum movement in the
> USA. In articles and books about history of math education I read that
> After Russia launched the Sputnik 1, American public experienced a period
> of fear and anxiety about technological gap between the USA and Soviet
> Union. In order to boost the science education, a group of American
> mathematics professors prepared a new curriculum based on Bourbaki’s
> extremely abstract and formal mathematical theory. At first public welcomed
> the change. After a while, parents, teachers, policy makers opposed the
> change because the new curriculum was too far outside of students' ordinary
> experience. In the end, the curriculum was abandoned. By the way, Davydov
> too used Bourbaki’s mathematical theory to design his curriculum.
>
> Ayşe Tokaç
>
> Edward Wall <ewall@umich.edu>, 6 Eki 2019 Paz, 00:33 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
>
>>     Sorry as I saw this but was short of time. I recommend you take
>> careful note of what Huw says about ‘instruction.’
>>
>>      Anyway, most of the attempts re the Davydov ‘curriculum’ in the US
>> that I knew about have been abandoned because, it seems, ‘qualified’
>> teachers were not readily available (and, in my opinion, that is very
>> unlikely to change). Perhaps the most substantial attempt in recent times
>> was at the University of Hawaii; there still may be some mention and a text
>> was ‘promised', but I have never been able find out much and I have tried
>> several times.
>>     That said, there are elementary curricula/instruction - and I only
>> mention this as an aside - that attempt to do substantial mathematics in a
>> somewhat dialogic manner; NYC, Ann Arbor, and the Netherlands are sites.
>> The difficult problem is that while one might argue - I don’t argue so -
>> that we have a theory of learning re mathematics,  we don’t really have,
>> and this is an opinion, a robust one - there are some reasonable ones, but
>> they are anemic - about teaching or more importantly about studying (the
>> intersection of teaching and learning) mathematics.
>>
>>       There are English translations of articles published here and there
>> by Davydov and collaborators about, I assume the thoughts behind the
>> curricula, the curriculum; e.g. 'The Object Source of the Concept of
>> Fractions.' I think I even have a paper somewhere where Davydov explains
>> some of the details of the curricular sequence. As regards instruction, I
>> would assume Galina Zuckerman would be the person to contact and I suspect
>> Anna Marjanovic-Shane would have useful things to say. Peg Griffin was the
>> first to give me a sketch of classroom interactions (very helpful in my
>> theorizing).
>>
>>       There are several private schools in Russia (or where when I last
>> looked) and, while not touted as the most influential (which means little
>> in the climate around mathematics instruction), there is, at least, one
>> existent that still appears to follow Davydov.
>>
>>       If you get something off the ground in English and ramp it up in
>> some reasonable manner, there are a lot of mathematical educators who
>> likely would flock to your door :)
>>
>> Ed Wall
>>
>> Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a
>> sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is.
>>
>> > On Oct 4, 2019, at  6:34 AM, Baloncuk Tr <aysekan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Thank you for taking the time and sending me the articles and the
>> books.  They are great for the project because I did not have some of them.
>> What I needed to find was the textbooks for elementary students written by
>> Davydov and his associates. I guess I misworded my request. The citation
>> for the books are:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Davydov, V. V., Gorbov, S. F., Mikulina, G. G., and Saveleva, O. V.
>> (1999). Mathematics: Class 1. Edited by J. Schmittau. Binghamton, NY: State
>> University of New York.
>> >
>> > Davydov, V. V., Gorbov, S. F., Mikulina, G. G., and Saveleva, O. V.
>> (2000). Mathematics: Class 2. Edited by J. Schmittau. Binghamton, NY: State
>> University of New York. Davydov, V. V., Gorbov, S. F.,
>> >
>> > Mikulina, G. G., Savyelyeva, O. V., and Tabachnikova, N. L. (2001).
>> Mathematics: 3rd Grade. Edited by J. Schmittau. Binghamton, NY: State
>> University of New York.
>> >
>> >
>> > These are English translations of the original books. I read Galina’s
>> email and I will look at the website she mentioned with a Russian friend
>> from my school. I could not understand anything right now because I don’t
>> speak Russian. I will post you about what I find in the website. Thank you
>> again for your immediate responses. I am happy to be part of this group.
>> >
>> > Lots of love from Turkey
>> >
>> > Ayşe Tokaç
>> >
>> > Selçuk University
>> >
>> >
>> > Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>, 4 Eki 2019 Cum, 14:24 tarihinde
>> şunu yazdı:
>> > A result! Thank you, Galina.
>> >
>> > Attached is a coarse google translation of the first doc.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 11:12, Galina Zuckerman <
>> galina.zuckerman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The publishing house "BINOM" recently published all math textbooks for
>> elementary school children, designed by Davydov and his followers.
>> > http://lbz.ru/books/936/
>> > You can order the books through this  publishing house.
>> > Manuals for teachers are available free:
>> > http://lbz.ru/metodist/authors/elkonin-davydov/6/
>> > Enjoy!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 11:04 PM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > There are example fragments in Peter Moxhay's 2008 translation of
>> "Problems of Developmental Instruction". There are example fragments in
>> numerous JREEP papers too, from psychologists practicing developmental
>> instruction (Kharkov school and others).
>> >
>> > Although not strictly part of a course "content', the core of this
>> material is the completely different approach to "instruction"
>> ("instruction" is perhaps a poor choice of label, given its connotations).
>> In that respect, if one tried to transplant merely the curriculum to a
>> conventional approach, it would be clear that one was not achieving
>> developmental instruction. Hence, being able to work out an appropriate
>> curriculum might be considered a minimum qualification for delivering it.
>> >
>> > A while back, Galina Zuckerman (cc'd), contributed a few emails
>> pertaining to her work, which might be considered as continuing to carry
>> the flag for Davydov's approach. My impression was that she had made
>> advances on the dialogic side of things with respect to dynamics of
>> engagement.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Huw
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 16:58, Baloncuk Tr <aysekan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I am a lecturer at Selcuk University in Turkey. I am focused now on a
>> curriculum project on math’s education in primary grades. I would
>> appreciate it if you can tell me how to find V. V. Davydov’s mathematics
>> curriculum and math books in English or Russian.
>> >
>> > Thanks, and I hope to hear from you.
>> >
>> > Ayse Tokac
>> >
>> > Selcuk University
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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