[Xmca-l] Re: History of Explicit and Implicit Knowledge

Fri Jun 14 10:10:54 PDT 2019

Also, I believe Palermo and Weiner made this distinction in the late 70s.  I would check their classic textbook on cognitive psychology (if it’s still around.)  And, Polanyi addressed these issues too.  Best, ag

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The same distinction can be found usefully in the work of Giyoo Hatano which you might find useful,Greg. A distinction is found in Wright's book on Envisioning Real Utopias between ideology
and culture.

Odd query:  Earth worms have an enormous effect on their environments and hence ours.
Earth worms could not do this if they did not have "wiggle room." Would you attribute the
tunnels and soil transformation of earth worms to them "having" agency?

mike

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 8:20 AM Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com<mailto:huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think you'd need to qualify that statement, Peter, for it to be correct.

The use of the phrase "involuntary" in P. I. Zinchenko's work pertains to "without volition" rather than "against one's volition".

Best,
Huw

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 15:27, Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] <pfeigenbaum@fordham.edu<mailto:pfeigenbaum@fordham.edu>> wrote:
Greg,

I'm not sure about implicit *knowledge*, but the earliest studies on implicit *learning* were conducted by Arthur Reber in the 1960s. I had the good fortune of being a graduate student at CUNY Graduate Center in Developmental Psychology in the 1980s when Arthur was there as a visiting scholar. He was studying implicit learning of *grammar* by adults and children. What struck me about the phenomenon (then and now) is that subjects in experiments are unaware that they are engaged in implicit learning - and when asked to think about the task they are performing while they are learning to infer patterns implicitly, their performance deteriorates significantly. It would seem that implicit and explicit learning are activities that conflict with each other.

This info may not be at all relevant to your question, but I thought I should mention it.

Cheers,
Peter

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 7:26 AM Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com<mailto:jgregmcverry@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you all, excatly what I am looking for. This idea of applying implicit and explicit knowledge to D, P, and C makes total sense.

I will be rejecting much as well but it is the langauge of my audience so I wanted to grasp the origin.

I am also trying to track how my ideas get captured and transformed here: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/14/using-my-commonplace-book-to-write-an-article<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com_2019_06_14_using-2Dmy-2Dcommonplace-2Dbook-2Dto-2Dwrite-2Dan-2Darticle&d=DwMFaQ&c=aqMfXOEvEJQh2iQMCb7Wy8l0sPnURkcqADc2guUW8IM&r=mXj3yhpYNklTxyN3KioIJ0ECmPHilpf4N2p9PBMATWs&m=sh86tsuk_K_vdn8cktM6VC_LRH3rfz5b4e1k6pcjkRs&s=5NkpeiWUmHvx6EYKyYLIFUpz1dCqfsmfYPqFhJ7OUqQ&e=>

With your permission I would like to quote your emails in the same post.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:40 AM David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com<mailto:dkellogg60@gmail.com>> wrote:
Keith Johnson, one of the professors on my MA at University of Essex,used the distinction between implicit and explicit on the one hand, and the J.R. Anderson model of DECPRO, PRODEC on the other. He didn't say anything about conditional knowledge, but from Anderson I gather it's something to do with the passive reception/active production distinction (that we Halllidayans reject).

I never heard him use both of them together, in a matrix, so that there was implicit and explicit declarative knowledge, implicit and explicit procedural knowledge, and implicit and explicit conditional knowledge. But Keith was very GRAMMATICAL. It seems to me that if you apply it to PHONOLOGY, there isn't any reason we can't talk about implicit and explicit declarative knowledge (knowing THAT a sound is a /d/ and not a /t/ implicitly and being able to express that idea in phonological terms) and it is also possible to talk about implicit and explicit procedural knowledge (knowing HOW to distinguish them without thinking about it, and knowing HOW they are distinguished by the movements of the articulators). I don't see any reason in principle why you couldn't do the same thing with conditional knowledge either, although I'm not really sure that all these distinctions are relevant to teaching.

All of this, and a lot more, in his 19i96 book Skill Learning and Language Teaching (Blackwell).

David Kellogg
Sangmyung University

New Article:
Han Hee Jeung & David Kellogg (2019): A story without SELF: Vygotsky’s
pedology, Bruner’s constructivism and Halliday’s construalism in understanding narratives by
Korean children, Language and Education, DOI: 10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663
To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doi.org_10.1080_09500782.2019.1582663&d=DwMFaQ&c=aqMfXOEvEJQh2iQMCb7Wy8l0sPnURkcqADc2guUW8IM&r=mXj3yhpYNklTxyN3KioIJ0ECmPHilpf4N2p9PBMATWs&m=sh86tsuk_K_vdn8cktM6VC_LRH3rfz5b4e1k6pcjkRs&s=Z_PGe9VQYPqVUGV8dxx-MsXNU0iYmNIvu6Y-vSRQZrg&e=>

Some e-prints available at:
https://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/KHRxrQ4n45t9N2ZHZhQK/full?target=10.1080/09500782.2019.1582663<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.tandfonline.com_eprint_KHRxrQ4n45t9N2ZHZhQK_full-3Ftarget-3D10.1080_09500782.2019.1582663&d=DwMFaQ&c=aqMfXOEvEJQh2iQMCb7Wy8l0sPnURkcqADc2guUW8IM&r=mXj3yhpYNklTxyN3KioIJ0ECmPHilpf4N2p9PBMATWs&m=sh86tsuk_K_vdn8cktM6VC_LRH3rfz5b4e1k6pcjkRs&s=dlTSEQSXtCZwen38XmBQsCFMst6NxbENTUsHRRNKUFs&e=>

All of this is in his 1996 book Skill Learning and Language Teaching (Blackwell).

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:50 AM Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com<mailto:jgregmcverry@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello all,

I am carrying on my quest to rethink cognitive apprenticeships into agentive apprenticeships for my work around innovation systems: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/07/my-fork-of-synea-into-a-saint<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com_2019_03_07_my-2Dfork-2Dof-2Dsynea-2Dinto-2Da-2Dsaint&d=DwMFaQ&c=aqMfXOEvEJQh2iQMCb7Wy8l0sPnURkcqADc2guUW8IM&r=mXj3yhpYNklTxyN3KioIJ0ECmPHilpf4N2p9PBMATWs&m=sh86tsuk_K_vdn8cktM6VC_LRH3rfz5b4e1k6pcjkRs&s=JxkaETsmrQCQNCIUZxTIcy_dtBqjaE6CMj2s7zvH80E&e=>

Agentive apprenticeships defer more in centering the agency and choice in the learner in a network of shared interest where the space and tools teach much as any person.

You may recall I originally asked for ideas around knowledge brokering as it did not sit well with me. I decided to go with Knowledge Knitting as my metaphor. It is used frequently in the OER Community and amongst under represented scholars and if I can get the pictures out of my head and into words it will make sense.

But I am trying to chase down when the distinction between explicit and implicit knowledge began. It weaves through all apprenticeship research up through and including Gee's work on Affinity Spaces.

I am more trained in the cognitive narrative that dominates reading instruction today of declarative, procedural, and conditional knowledge.

Two questions:
-When did the distinction between implicit and explicit knowledge begin?
-Are you aware of works that describe knowing in both implicit and explicit and in declarative, procedural, and conditional knowledge.

Greg

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