[Xmca-l] Re: Do we find Inequalities in wild life system?
Andy Blunden
andyb@marxists.org
Mon Jan 28 21:15:12 PST 2019
When you get the electric chair for murdering someone that
is not a linguistic construct.
andy
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Andy Blunden
http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
On 29/01/2019 2:49 pm, Adam Poole (16517826) wrote:
>
> Perhaps it may be more appropriate to use the term
> 'quasi-objective form', as the medium through which
> concepts like inequality and injustice are made objective,
> language, is itself inherently subjective. For example,
> justice can be given objective form in law, but the law
> itself is comprised of language, customs, traditions,
> beliefs, etc. The manifestation of an objective form is
> not universal, but will differ depending on cultural
> context. Hence quasi-objective. Concepts like inequality
> are given objective form, but it doesn't mean that they
> are objective in nature, due to the mediating role
> of language.
>
>
> Adam
>
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> Blunden <andyb@marxists.org>
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> *Subject:* [Xmca-l] Re: Do we find Inequalities in wild
> life system?
>
> Mmm, "subjective" is a polysemous word, Huw. It is not a
> matter of precision but of relativity. "Inequality" is a
> famously contested concept, as is "injustice," but its
> contestation is necessarily in a social context and with
> social content. Justice and equality are given objective
> form in law and social policy in definite, really-existing
> states or organisations challenging for state power, not
> the opinion of individuals.
>
> andy
>
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> Andy Blunden
> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
> On 29/01/2019 1:50 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>> It isn't "subjective", Andy. Rather it is limited to a
>> certain construal. One can be quite precise and objective
>> about that construal.
>>
>> Huw
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 14:14, Andy Blunden
>> <andyb@marxists.org <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I can't agree that with your suggestion, Huw, that
>> inequality (in the meaning with which Harshad used
>> it) is something subjective, in the eye of the
>> beholder. Such a view would be very pernicious
>> politically. The fact is that states have emerged and
>> developed over many centuries so as to makes
>> objective certain concepts of justice, among which
>> are various qualified and nuances notions of
>> equality. This is not figment of my imagination.
>>
>> andy
>>
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>> Andy Blunden
>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>> On 29/01/2019 12:59 am, Huw Lloyd wrote:
>>> We find "wild life" systems that are imbalanced and
>>> subject to radical changes.
>>>
>>> Inequality is a perceptual/cognitive construct and
>>> predicated on an ontological scope. We find the
>>> condition of inequality (or comparison) in our
>>> thinking and behaviour. Every living thing "finds"
>>> inequalities. We do not find inequality, we find the
>>> awareness of inequality.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 08:17, James Ma
>>> <jamesma320@gmail.com <mailto:jamesma320@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Should you find inequality within a wildlife
>>> system, that must be a political, ideological
>>> precept!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 07:56, James Ma
>>> <jamesma320@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jamesma320@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not only is it meaningless but also
>>> preposterous. To maintain that all members
>>> of the same species are equal, as Anne Moir
>>> and David Jessel put it, is to "build a
>>> society based on a biological and scientific
>>> lie".
>>> James
>>> PS: I'm apolitical - anything political,
>>> ideological just doesn't speak to me!
>>>
>>> */_______________________________________________________/*
>>>
>>> /*James Ma *Independent Scholar
>>> //https://oxford.academia.edu/JamesMa
>>> /
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 05:27, Andy Blunden
>>> <andyb@marxists.org
>>> <mailto:andyb@marxists.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Harshad,
>>>
>>> "Inequality" is a meaningless concept
>>> when referred to Nature. Likewise
>>> "Injustice."
>>>
>>> Justice and equality are relevant only
>>> to the extent that the subjects are
>>> living in an 'artificial' world, out of
>>> Nature. Natural disasters and the
>>> plenitude of Nature have these
>>> dimensions only to the extent they are
>>> imposed on or made available to
>>> different classes of people by the
>>> social system.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
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>>> Andy Blunden
>>> http://www.ethicalpolitics.org/ablunden/index.htm
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2019 4:00 pm, Harshad Dave wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am working on one article. I want to
>>>> know your views on following query.
>>>>
>>>> "Do we find Inequalities exists in wild
>>>> life system?"
>>>>
>>>> Your views will help me in my work.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Harshad Dave
>>>> Email: hhdave15@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:hhdave15@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
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