[Xmca-l] Re: Intrinsic / Extrinsic Motivation

[Coppens, Andrew]

I don’t know much about a characteristically CHAT objection to the distinction but, to my mind, the main problem is in how intrinsic motivation is characterized (i.e., acultural, ahistorical) and that extrinsic motivation is set up as its opposite (i.e., not just a distinction but a dichotomy). These two features of the theory create many problems regarding what I need a theory of motivation to help explain.

My objections might counter some primary CHAT texts, but there are a number of reasons I can imagine being OK with that.

/ Andrew

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For some reason which I have never understood many CHAT people seem to be set against this distinction. And yet the distinction is intrinsic to A N Leontyev's Activity Theory. In addition, Alasdair MacIntyre uses it to, in my opinion to great effect, such that I cannot imagine a theory of motivation that lacked this distinction.

What is the problem?

Andy

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On 25/08/2019 1:00 pm, David H Kirshner wrote:
I’m reading a behaviorally oriented account of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation by authoritative authors Ryan and Deci (2000):
“The most basic distinction is between intrinsic motivation, which refers to doing something because it is inherently interesting or enjoyable, and extrinsic motivation, which refers to doing something because it leads to a separable outcome [one undertaken for instrumental reasons]” (p. 55).

This seems to me an impoverished account for a variety of reasons, most pressingly because it attempts to naturalize what is pleasurable or intrinsically motivating as inherent to the organism, without respect to individuals as people, engaged in socioculturally constituted life histories.

Does the construct of intrinsic / extrinsic motivation surface anywhere in sociocultural theory?
Alternatively, can anyone point me toward a sociocultural critique of the intrinsic / extrinsic construct?

David

Ryan R. M., & Deci E. L. (2000). Intrinsic and extrinsic motivations: Classic definitions and new directions. Contemporary Educational Psychology, 25, 54–67. https://doi.org/10.1006/ceps.1999.1020<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__doi.org_10.1006_ceps.1999.1020&d=DwMF-g&c=c6MrceVCY5m5A_KAUkrdoA&r=T292xnKwVOMtoHKpeIK_s9mDPzJBSXg6AqnqQfLlAoc&m=d4qKpoX8iBmMCrxfuKZ29rBuT4OVmseKPD3o9xA9qwQ&s=PIxeXNE4clr3Jrl5eX2Rj6bw92pwZxqgSO9opx54rtU&e=>


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