[Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started

[Martin John Packer]

Mike, properly done, retiring takes just as much work as working did!  :)

Martin

> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:49 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> 
> It is a treat to drop in on this conversation. At a dissertation the other
> day I learned that Garfinkel had referred to the "awesome
> indexicality" of everyday life. Seems like a ripe set of circumstances for
> conflict and emotion to be visible, as they are in Yasuko's case study. The
> qu0te from Engestrom & Saninon works well for me. " Contradictions are
> manifested in everyday actions as troubles and disturbances"
> mike
> 
> PS- my oh my! both martin and michael have comment in the time it took me
> to type this brief note! time to retire. :-)
> 
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Wolff-Michael,
>> 
>> I agree with most of what you’ve written, but not the suggestion that EM
>> starts from the assumption that people (simply) make visible order that has
>> its origins somewhere else. I’ll quote from an encyclopedia article by Doug
>> Maynard and Teddy Kardash:
>> 
>> 
>> Ethnomethodology is an area in sociology originating in the work of Harold
>> Garfinkel. It represents an effort to study the methods in and through
>> which members concertedly produce and assemble the features of everyday
>> life in any actual, concrete, and not hypothetical or theoretically
>> depicted setting…. Members of society achieve this intelligible
>> organization through actual, coordinated, concerted, procedural behaviors
>> or methods and practices.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
>> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com<mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Martin,
>> I would have thought that ethno*methodology* is the study of the methods,
>> the work, people use to make social orders visible. In this, it is very
>> different from all other research, qualitative and quantitative. Garfinkel
>> describes it as *incommensurably different *from, among others,
>> interpretive studies of social life. He distinguishes EM from formal
>> analytic studies, all those that have to specify methods because these
>> methods are different from the methods people use in everyday life. EM does
>> not dispute the results of other research; its interests are completely
>> elsewhere.
>> Practically, EM is interested in change if it is what people do; it is not
>> interested in the change but how people do make change and the required
>> work visible to each other.
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------
>> Applied Cognitive Science
>> MacLaurin Building A567
>> University of Victoria
>> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
>> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>> 
>> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
>> <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
>> directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
>> mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
>> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Larry, I also was thinking that visibility, in other EM/CA studies also as
>> instructability, speaks to change. A
>> ________________________________________
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>> mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
>> mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>> on behalf of Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com<mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
>>>> 
>> Sent: 02 June 2017 01:44
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
>> 
>> Martin,
>> This sentence,
>> “Creating and sustaining order always requires change”
>> And therefore makes visible change as the norm
>> Seems to be pregnant with an evocative enacting of possibility for novel
>> kinds of social fabric[continuing with the weaving theme]
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
>> Sent: June 1, 2017 4:18 PM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
>> 
>> Yes, I agree with what you say. I guess I used the word change where I
>> meant development. So I am going to change my question:
>> 
>> What do and could do researchers concerned with development (social,
>> personal) with EM.
>> 
>> You recently shared with us a beautiful book on the topic of development.
>> How does EM feature in it?
>> Alfredo
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
>> mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
>> mailman.ucsd.edu>>
>> on behalf of Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co<mailto:
>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>
>> Sent: 02 June 2017 00:40
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
>> 
>> Hi Alfredo,
>> 
>> I’ve always thought that EM deals very well with change, because it does
>> not treat stasis as the norm. EM is the study of the methods that people
>> (actants) employ to create and sustain order, various kinds of order.
>> Creating and sustaining order always requires change.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
>> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
>> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>> wrote:
>> 
>> I personally find ethnomethodology EM fascinating and a powerful approach
>> to stick the realities of social life; but I always wondered what does EM
>> do with questions of change.
>> 
>> 
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